> a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time
> dogma : a fixed, especially religious, belief or set of beliefs that people are expected to accept without any doubts
looks like Francis is wrong, and not a Catholic nor a pope
Could perhaps a charitable interpretation of the song be that there are some people on welfare who could work but choose not to (sloth) and choose to eat excessively when they could choose otherwise (gluttony), and that the musician is complaining about these specific people, and not people who may simply be overweight due to poisoning or unemployed due to bad luck?
yes, feeding those in need is the clear teaching; no, this is not necessarily through welfare and taxation
Again, this isn't Jesus being "pro-taxes" but for prudence: He was saying if people are going to force you to pay taxes, well what are you going to do? If you don't pay that makes you a criminal, so just to pay it to avoid trouble
Ok, and what we're saying is in none of those passages is Jesus saying to force people to hand over money using the government so that people can collect it in welfare; the difference between a nonprofit or giving someone who is homeless on the street $20, versus a government agency fining someone and forcing them to be taxed for whatever purpose the government may see fit
However, that is not to say Christians may not advocate for such a view (for government welfare), I would simply state it is not the "Christian position" that Jesus is positively requiring something like government welfare to exist
superfluous wealth (beyond one's needs) is morally the possession of the poor, in the theological tradition (although not one that is much talked about?) - hence you might advocate for wealthy people to give charitably under pain of present or future punishment by God (unless they feel they should retain such funds for some reason - some may need less than others, and some wealth is capital, like if a person owns a boat they can't break up the boat to feed people)
Care for the poor is a positive virtue, but welfare is simply forcing taxpayers to pay, and allows people to indiscriminately collect; it's not particularly moral or immoral, it's kind of amoral in a way (when abused, immoral?)
Thank you for this conversation, I think it is an important one to continue (I may be out for a bit, I could try to further elaborate on different passages if requested. Whether government or corporations or individuals are in charge of doing certain things, I do agree we should care for the poor for sure and would enjoy seeing more discussion of how to meet the needs of those in most need when possible)
What examples of Jesus are coming to mind for you
voluntary socialism if you want to look at it that was isn't necessarily the issue (taking handouts people want to give privately), welfare is forcible socialism through taxes and government coercion - it's a different thing
a lot of people oscillate in their arguments, like they wouldn't say it's ok a guy assaulted a woman just because she was wearing inappropriate clothing? but here personal responsibility for avoiding unhealthy food is not promoted?
I can see how the jabs at vices of sloth and gluttony might trigger those who struggle with such sins, however I think in the balance he was venting frustrations that are broadly bipartisan about poor wage rates and political leaders who may be failing the average person
Rich Men North of Richmond by Oliver Anthony (Slight Language Warning)
When I first came across Oliver Anthony and his music, I was blown away to say the least. He had a whole collection of songs that I could listen to for hours. Oliver resides in Farmville, VA with his 3 dogs and a plot of land he plans on turning into a small farm to raise livestock. We have a who...
Lyrics:
https://genius.com/Oliver-anthony-rich-men-north-of-richmond-lyrics
[Verse 1] I've been sellin' my soul, workin' all day Overtime hours for bulls*** pay So I can sit out here and waste my life away Drag back home and drown my troubles away
[Pre-Chorus] It's a damn shame what the world's gotten to For people like me and people like you Wish I could just wake up and it not be true But it is, oh, it is
[Chorus] Livin' in the new world With an old soul These rich men north of Richmond Lord knows they all just wanna have total control Wanna know what you think, wanna know what you do And they don't think you know, but I know that you do 'Cause your dollar ain't s*** and it's taxed to no end 'Cause of rich men north of Richmond
[Verse 2] I wish politicians would look out for miners And not just minors on an island somewhere Lord, we got folks in the street, ain't got nothin' to eat And the obese milkin' welfare
[Verse 3] Well, God, if you're five-foot-three and you're three-hundred pounds Taxes ought not to pay for your bags of fudge rounds Young men are puttin' themselves six feet in the ground 'Cause all this damn country does is keep on kickin' them down
[Pre-Chorus] Lord, it's a damn shame what the world's gotten to For people like me and people like you Wish I could just wake up and it not be true But it is, oh, it is
[Chorus] Livin' in the new world With an old soul These rich men north of Richmond Lord knows they all just wanna have total control Wanna know what you think, wanna know what you do And they don't think you know, but I know that you do 'Cause your dollar ain't s*** and it's taxed to no end 'Cause of rich men north of Richmond
[Outro] I've been sellin' my soul, workin' all day Overtime hours for bulls*** pay
> I don't want to work at this company anymore so I quit, I just don't feel like working here anymore
Seems ok for the employee to quit "at will" so why not for the employer?
Economics: The Family Wage
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/3624238
> cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/3624236 > > > cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/3624234 > > > > > > A family wage is a wage that is sufficient to raise a family. This contrasts with a living wage, which is generally taken to mean a wage sufficient for a single individual to live on, but not necessarily sufficient to also support a family. As a stronger form of living wage, a family wage is likewise advocated by proponents of social justice. Family wage campaign was aiming to maintain the traditional family structure, as a concept connecting economics and family structure it is one of the examples of how economic structure of family, which is a subject of the field family economics, affects overall economy beyond the family. > > > > > > > The term "family wage jobs" has occasional contemporary use in American political rhetoric and is most associated with Catholic intellectuals, in the Catholic social teaching tradition > > > > > > The debate about "living wages" vs. minimum wages ignores structuring jobs for the needs of the family and (traditionally male) breadwinners
Thematic Book Series: How to Build a Low-tech Internet? | Low Tech Magazine
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/3676442
> (posted for discussion, not necessarily in agreement with author) > > https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2023/08/thematic-books-series/ > > Links to articles used in book (not linked on the site, presumably this is the book's contents): > > ... > > Why we need a speed limit for the internet > > https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/10/why-we-need-a-speed-limit-for-the-internet/ > > Email in the 18th century: the optical telegraph > > https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2007/12/email-in-the-18.html > > How to build a low-tech internet? > > https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/10/how-to-build-a-low-tech-internet > > How to build a low-tech website? > > https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2018/09/how-to-build-a-low-tech-website/ > > How sustainable is a solar powered website? > > https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2020/01/how-sustainable-is-a-solar-powered-website.html > > How and why I stopped buying laptops > > https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2020/12/how-and-why-i-stopped-buying-new-laptops > > Why the office needs a typewriter revolution > > https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2016/11/why-the-office-needs-a-typewriter-revolution.html
Thematic Book Series: How to Build a Low-tech Internet? | Low Tech Magazine
(posted for discussion, not necessarily in agreement with author)
https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2023/08/thematic-books-series/
Links to articles used in book (not linked on the site, presumably this is the book's contents):
...
Why we need a speed limit for the internet
https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/10/why-we-need-a-speed-limit-for-the-internet/
Email in the 18th century: the optical telegraph
https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2007/12/email-in-the-18.html
How to build a low-tech internet?
https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/10/how-to-build-a-low-tech-internet
How to build a low-tech website?
https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2018/09/how-to-build-a-low-tech-website/
How sustainable is a solar powered website?
https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2020/01/how-sustainable-is-a-solar-powered-website.html
How and why I stopped buying laptops
https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2020/12/how-and-why-i-stopped-buying-new-laptops
Why the office needs a typewriter revolution
https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2016/11/why-the-office-needs-a-typewriter-revolution.html
It's sincere, I don't think people are thinking through what they're asking for
I do think it's justified, but it can seem impractical
I don't like innocent people getting that punishment, and I think capital punishment litigation is more costly than just the penalty of life in prison
for those reasons I'm kind of against capital punishment
to that point I don't think prison should necessarily be a place of vigilante justice either (as some people comment that she will either take her own life or another inmate will); we should agree as to what punishments should exist and that's what people should get and they should be protected from deviations from that
"Never Meant" Piano Version | American Football
Piano arrangement of "Never Meant" by the midwestern indie band American Football arranged and performed by Madison Stolzer (Madison Emery) in Chicago, IL USA. Made using the Synthesia online MIDI piano program. - /// M Website: https://www.madisonstolzer.com https://www.madisonemerymusic.com
"Never Meant" Piano Version | American Football
Piano arrangement of "Never Meant" by the midwestern indie band American Football arranged and performed by Madison Stolzer (Madison Emery) in Chicago, IL USA. Made using the Synthesia online MIDI piano program. - /// M Website: https://www.madisonstolzer.com https://www.madisonemerymusic.com
I'm not particularly "vindictive" but these are the kinds of cases where capital punishment / death penalty seem justified
You just can’t do it like that, because you woke up grumpy that particular morning
That should be fine though, that's freedom of association, why force people to work together who don't want to do so?
the "valid reason" is you don't like them, why would we want to force people to work together who don't like each other?
Yeah I often see people discussing minimum wages and living wages, this was a different concept I stumbled upon for people to think about, which makes sense for society to consider because if workers have families they're not simply trying to earn a "living wage" (enough for them) but also enough for kids and/or spouse, etc.
family wage: enough to support a whole family by one breadwinner (traditionally thought of as an individual male; even with dual breadwinners you could still have an idea of how much a "family wage" would be that pays for the costs of the whole family)
living wage: enough to support an individual
minimum legal wage: legally allowed minimum to pay per hour (I don't know how common it has been for a minimum wage to be enough to raise a family)
Economics: The Family Wage
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/3624234
> > A family wage is a wage that is sufficient to raise a family. This contrasts with a living wage, which is generally taken to mean a wage sufficient for a single individual to live on, but not necessarily sufficient to also support a family. As a stronger form of living wage, a family wage is likewise advocated by proponents of social justice. Family wage campaign was aiming to maintain the traditional family structure, as a concept connecting economics and family structure it is one of the examples of how economic structure of family, which is a subject of the field family economics, affects overall economy beyond the family. > > > The term "family wage jobs" has occasional contemporary use in American political rhetoric and is most associated with Catholic intellectuals, in the Catholic social teaching tradition > > The debate about "living wages" vs. minimum wages ignores structuring jobs for the needs of the family and (traditionally male) breadwinners
Economics: The Family Wage
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/3624236
> cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/3624234 > > > > A family wage is a wage that is sufficient to raise a family. This contrasts with a living wage, which is generally taken to mean a wage sufficient for a single individual to live on, but not necessarily sufficient to also support a family. As a stronger form of living wage, a family wage is likewise advocated by proponents of social justice. Family wage campaign was aiming to maintain the traditional family structure, as a concept connecting economics and family structure it is one of the examples of how economic structure of family, which is a subject of the field family economics, affects overall economy beyond the family. > > > > > The term "family wage jobs" has occasional contemporary use in American political rhetoric and is most associated with Catholic intellectuals, in the Catholic social teaching tradition > > > > The debate about "living wages" vs. minimum wages ignores structuring jobs for the needs of the family and (traditionally male) breadwinners
Economics: The Family Wage
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/3624234
> > A family wage is a wage that is sufficient to raise a family. This contrasts with a living wage, which is generally taken to mean a wage sufficient for a single individual to live on, but not necessarily sufficient to also support a family. As a stronger form of living wage, a family wage is likewise advocated by proponents of social justice. Family wage campaign was aiming to maintain the traditional family structure, as a concept connecting economics and family structure it is one of the examples of how economic structure of family, which is a subject of the field family economics, affects overall economy beyond the family. > > > The term "family wage jobs" has occasional contemporary use in American political rhetoric and is most associated with Catholic intellectuals, in the Catholic social teaching tradition > > The debate about "living wages" vs. minimum wages ignores structuring jobs for the needs of the family and (traditionally male) breadwinners
I do think it's good to create a healthy culture that respects workers, but I don't understand why being able to fire an employee is a bad thing
Imagine you're not allowed to fire people you don't like who you think are doing a bad job at work
if you try "leftists (or liberals) more likely to be mentally ill" in a search engine you see things like:
American adults who identify as politically liberal have long reported lower levels of happiness and psychological well-being than conservatives, a trend that mental-health experts suspect is at least partly explained by liberals’ tendency to spend more time worrying about stress-inducing topics like racial injustice, income inequality, gun violence, and climate change.
https://magazine.columbia.edu/article/why-depression-rates-are-higher-among-liberals
Leftists are more likely to be mentally ill tho
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Arcanum (On Christian Marriage) by Pope Leo XIII - 1880
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