That is a great idea!
The parallels of both books are interesting, a researcher lives with a native population eating a nearly 100% ASF diet and recording the benefits of their lifestyle.
Wow, Thanks for digging this up! I'm putting it on the top of my book list.
It was the same guy who did the one year hospital study on the same diet: https://hackertalks.com/post/5692899
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilhjalmur_Stefansson
He had an amazing life!
In your scenario, you would know the health of your chicken, so you could make your own risk calculation.
You would still have to be incredibly careful, and be very clean, when processing the chicken, and when preparing the meal.
I think as with all other raw foods, such as sashimi, it's something to try only if your immune system is working really well.
Innocent from the perspective of the person who is sharing. They intended no harm, they did not want to get involved in somebody else's agenda.
You clearly view the photograph in a different context, and you see harm. That's fine, but if you're going to bring that context into other people's communities, you have to realize moderators may not want every person to be held to your standards. Hence the banning
Most of the risk comes from the processing and handling of the meat. If the chicken isn't perfectly healthy, and the butcher isn't very careful about keeping the intestinal tract from spreading, bacteria from the intestinal tract could spread to the meat.
This is the same reason that you need to cook ground beef to a much higher temperature than you need to cook a steak, more surface area, more points of possible contamination.
Is it possible to process and eat raw chicken safely? The Japanese certainly think so, it's a dish that's available widely in Japan.
It's up to you, and your risk tolerances. But if you're going to do it, you have to make sure you source the meat cleanly, it's processed very cleanly, it's stored very cleanly. It's a high bar
I don't think this is a Lemmy world issue. I think on many instances you would also see the same behavior. Somebody sharing something genuinely, innocently, and it's being leveraged and twisted into a political moment. That discourages people from sharing.
Harvard has long had a PBF bias, documented since at least 1978 https://www.unz.com/print/SaturdayRev-1978aug-00010
Does bias invalidate good science? No. A good RCT can be performed by a biased group and verified by other groups. But Bias might influence a group to pump out low probability "papers" that fit a agenda from the same data set using different slices every 3 months or so.......
I think at this point this pipeline is really reporting how carbohydrates and processed food are slightly worse then eating a fully PBF diet. Remember about 80% of everyones food is Plant Based, even the "red meat" eaters in this study.
Observational (low quality evidence), Weak correlation : This paper isn't meaningful for anything but adding noise to the nutrition discussion (and maybe padding the authors paper count)
Paper Discussion - Long-Term Intake of Red Meat in Relation to Dementia Risk and Cognitive Function in US Adults
TLDR : Weak Science, Low Relationship, Healthy User Confounders - Nothing burger.
>Results: The dementia analysis included 133,771 participants (65.4% female) with a mean baseline age of 48.9 years, the objective cognitive function analysis included 17,458 female participants with a mean baseline age of 74.3 years, and SCD analysis included 43,966 participants (77.1% female) with a mean baseline age of 77.9 years. Participants with processed red meat intake ≥0.25 serving per day, compared with <0.10 serving per day, had a 13% higher risk of dementia (hazard ratio [HR] 1.13; 95% CI 1.08-1.19; plinearity < 0.001) and a 14% higher risk of SCD (relative risk [RR] 1.14; 95% CI 1.04-1.25; plinearity = 0.004). Higher processed red meat intake was associated with accelerated aging in global cognition (1.61 years per 1 serving per day increment [95% CI 0.20-3.03]) and in verbal memory (1.69 years per 1 serving per day increment [95% CI 0.13-3.25], both plinearity = 0.03). Unprocessed red meat intake of ≥1.00 serving per day, compared with <0.50 serving per day, was associated with a 16% higher risk of SCD (RR 1.16; 95% CI 1.03-1.30; plinearity = 0.04). Replacing 1 serving per day of nuts and legumes for processed red meat was associated with a 19% lower risk of dementia (HR 0.81, 95% CI 0.75-0.86), 1.37 fewer years of cognitive aging (95% CI -2.49 to -0.25), and a 21% lower risk of SCD (RR 0.79, 95% CI 0.68-0.92).
> Discussion: Higher intake of red meat, particularly processed red meat, was associated with a higher risk of developing dementia and worse cognition. Reducing red meat consumption could be included in dietary guidelines to promote cognitive health. Further research is needed to assess the generalizability of these findings to populations with diverse ethnic backgrounds.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39813632/ https://doi.org/10.1212/WNL.0000000000210286
Sounds really bad! But, Association is not causation, "could" also means "cloud not"
(I can't find the full paper, if you know a link please share it, I want to read the full paper)
Prospective cohort study, epidemiology, another slice of the Nurses Health Study, and the HPFS. Observational Research, cannot prove causation. The Hazard ratio is 1.13, that's nothing. You have to be at least 2 to even justify further research (unless there is an agenda). As a reference the hazard ratio for smoking was 30!
As always in observational studies, healthy patient confounders need to be considered. The person ignoring current advice eating pizza, fast food, etc is considered a "meat eater", but the person following the guidelines is more or less vegetarian (no processed meat, no red meat at least, not smoking, not drinking) at this point. The big difference between these groups? SUGAR AND CARBS.
Even with this massive confounder the Hazard Ratio was only 1.13 (1.0 means NO Correlation at all)
From this tiny data point, the news is flooded with "Red Meat Causes Dementia"
The research director at Harvard has a well established PBF bias, as well as funding from industry. This paper is just one is a series (there will be another for the next news cycle with the same hazard ratios, saying the same thing). At BEST this type of low probability correlation should be used to setup a real study, a RCT... not to set policy or demonize red meat.
Recall our previous discussion of how you slice the data looking for relationships is just as important as the results with a large body of observational data https://lemmy.dubvee.org/post/2623649
No worries, I don't mind occasional downvotes, but we have had a few dialogs about post quality and content you find reliable, so I was trying to figure out where I went wrong this time :)
@[email protected] What was wrong with this? I felt like that was a very reasonable message.
Alcohol liver pathway https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6527027/
You can gain weight on LCHF, even muscle https://doi.org/10.1002/fsn3.2204
As far as oily / fatty stools https://doi.org/10.1093/jn/nxab019 The Bristol Stool Scale is well known to be associated with dietary inputs and bile production.
This is the Carnivore community after all, I think its only fair to give us the benefit of the doubt
Ok, that makes sense.
1.33kg a month, gotcha.
Yeah my advice would be the same: Eat fatty meals, but don't make the meal unless your hungry. If you have a scale at home you can do daily measurements to look at the trend line. If you have to drink alcohol switch over to the zero carb liquors.
One more question - Did your total bodyweight go up, or stay the same?
Are we just talking about the Tanita body fat % changing, and not your total weight?
Yeah no worries, my instance is having trouble right now, so I'm using a different account now too! Small world. It must be this hot sunny day.
Never hungry unless there is meat in front of me, and I often don't finish
This might be the reason, if your not hungry, you don't need to eat. That is your body's feedback mechanism.
I started working from home and not cycling to and from work (1 hr each way) 5 days a week
Yeah, you developed a eating habit/schedule for a higher metabolic rate then your maintaining.
I didn't change the fat percentage of my food
Unless your body building, I don't think you need to mess with fat percentages, natural fat, and natural meat are supposed to be combined together. Fat is a strong, STRONG, satiety signal. If your muscle mass isn't going down, I'd say increase the fat % so that you don't eat too much protein.
Debugging
You might want to put your entire daily food intake into cronometer, then look at your nutrient breakdown. I've found it helpful
Common confounders: High stress levels, Cheese, sugar alcohols can increase insulin response too
Oh yeah, Rule 1, Rule 4 violations!
Recommending vegetables is fine; Downvoting your post, then telling you to stop eating meat isn't respecting your choices or being nice.
It is possible to eat too much protein beyond what your body wants, and it could get converted into glucose, you could check with a ketone meter; but the obvious feedback loop would be if your forcing yourself to finish your meal.
is there a booze to fat pathway
Yes! Unless its pure alcohol (vodka, whiskey) there are carbohydrates in it. Alcohol is a poison at any dose, but it uses the same pathway as fructose metabolism in the liver.
I was surprised today that I seem to have put on some extra fat.
Is your body fact percentage quite low already? Your body might just up adjusting to optimal.
Eat more fat if digestion is too slow (code for difficult pooing) eat less if it's too fast (loose poo)
This advice is good, but its focused on your ability to produce bile, it doesn't really go to your bodies nutritional needs. Hunger and Satiation are the main regulators of "having enough"
Are you hungry? Are you forcing yourself to finish meals?
Bonus content from tasting history with Max Miller - https://youtu.be/vM6nkG4vP0Q Texas Chili & the Chili Queens of San Antonio!
great video, but the recipe is more fussy
Simple Minimalist Chili
I've been idly looking up different clean chili recipes and ideas. I like the very old style chili, just stewed meat with chilis - Simple and delicious.
Found a super small creator (steve cooksey) <330 subs, who gives a nice example cooking of a simple chili. He has a fun way of stabbing the ground beef with a spatula that isn't super effective, but entertaining.
Full recipe: https://www.diabetes-warrior.net/2020/10/23/minimalist-carnivore-chili/
- ground beef
- chili powder
- cumin
- salt
- black pepper
- cayenne pepper
- paprika
- grated cheese/sour cream
- coffee
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