I've received a few messages from experienced developers asking how they might be able to help improve Perchance. I typed out a decently long (but somewhat rambling and incomplete) response to a message just now and figured I might as well post it publicly for the benefit of others who are interested.

The TL;DR is probably: The most impactful thing that devs can do for the perchance community is to just have fun building things (generators/plugins/etc) that are interesting/useful to you, and then share your creations with friends or communities that might enjoy them. This is very helpful!

Message response below:

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The Perchance site itself is really just a code editor with a sandboxed iframe (that the code is thrown into), and a mongodb server for accounts/generators, so not a lot of my dev time goes into that level of the platform. And the DSL/engine doesn't change much at this point (though an overhaul will likely come at some point), so most of my time is spent on creating plugins, examples/applications, and stuff like that.

I could add a bunch more features to the site, but I prefer to keep the foundation very simple, which is why I create plugins like perchance.org/upload-plugin and perchance.org/comments-plugin and so on. I.e. instead of adding comments as a "native" feature, I just add it as a plugin, which allows me to be more nimble and experimental.

There are limits to this, of course. One native feature that is sorely needed imo is collaborative editing - akin to Google Docs, so you can just share a link to start working on stuff with others. Another is optional AI-assisted code auto-completion. For both of those I need to upgrade to CodeMirror 6, but the Lezer stuff is kinda gnarly. If someone managed to get the Perchance DSL highlighted with CodeMirror 6 that would be very handy, but this is definitely not a "good first issue". I did spend one day on it, thinking that's all it'd take, but I now realize that it's something which I'll need to set aside several days for, and I've been putting it off.

Here's the basic setup for CodeMirror 6: https://perchance.org/codemirror6-basic-html#edit

And I originally thought I'd use the same mixed parsing approach that @codemirror/lang-html uses, except instead of the HTML script tags triggering the transition from non-JS text to JS-highlighted text, it'd be square brackets (and function headers), but I think the problem with that is that the HTML parser has the advantage that the closing script tag in HTML code always means "end of JS" (even if it's e.g. in the middle of a JS string! this can be somewhat surprising to many web devs), whereas closing square brackets can 'validly' occur in JS code without necessarily indicating the end of a square block. Someone here seems to have come to the conclusion that Lezer might not be a good fit for this sort of thing, and so a stream parser might be the way to go, but I'm not so sure, because IIUC, @codemirror/lang-javascript manages to do it with template strings. I.e. ${ to indicate start of JS, and } to indicate end. That's almost identical to what is needed for the Perchance DSL, so it seems like Lezer can do this. But maybe @codemirror/lang-javascript is doing some non-Lezer stuff, since IIRC there are some proprocessing/tokenization things you can do before it gets passed to Lezer. Either way, using the official JavaScript (or html/markdown/etc - which includes it as a sub-module) parser, with some minimal modifications, is probably the way to go, since I don't want to have to maintain a from-scratch lib of that level of complexity.

So that's one thing that comes to mind right now, but that said, probably the most helpful thing that community members can to do to help Perchance is to create generators/plugins/games/etc. An interesting one that I noticed a few days ago, as an example: https://perchance.org/ai-roguelike and another: https://perchance.org/infinitecraft-but-its-a-trading-card-game

The advantage of helping in this way is: 1) it's fun and you can just build stuff that's interesting to you, and 2) it doesn't require any coordination with me or anyone else. The latter point is pretty important because I'm a pretty solitary/hermit type of person, so it may be hard to get in contact with me for several weeks at a time.

I've spent quite a bit of time recently building generators to try and provide examples of games/experiences/tools that can be created with the AI plugins. The more people there are doing this, the more I can move down to the lower levels of Perchance. My bottleneck is currently at the higher "application" level, rather than the platform level, if that makes sense.

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Quick bug report, when I was playing with the testing panel, I tried to get to the very bottom of the long word list output by pressing Shift+Down on the output container, which pushes the entire container down that causes the input section to be cropped and really hard to get back in. The only ways to temporarily fix this issue is to press Shift+Tab while selecting the green output text thing, or just select the input box manually and type something on it.

Here's a short video demonstration on how I was able to catch the bug:

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Link to video above

Haven't posted anything on the community for a while. Just popped this question on mind several days ago whilst considering to upload wallpapers from my generator hub page into the upload page to avoid something like this.

I've been wondering what's the biggest file size you've ever uploaded to the Perchance Upload page in your experience (and is the maximum file size/daily allowance really depends on how long the user has standing on the site)?

Hello,

I am struggling with the output on this prompt generator, and I've tried to look up a solution and been unsuccessful so far. I honestly know nothing about coding other than what I've been learning in order to build perchance generators - so I know it may be something super simple I'm missing. Or I may have made it more complicated than it needs to be - or maybe what I want is something really complicated. I honestly don't know. And I apologize if my lingo is awful!

The URL I've shared is an ultra-simplified version of the generator I am struggling with, and most of the list items have been eliminated so that what is left is guaranteed to duplicate the problem I'm having.

What I'm trying to accomplish with the current coding:

1. That the generator defaults to 2 specific character names - Ed and Stede.
2. That if a user inputs characters in the input box to customize their output that these two default characters do not show up. So not the user's list + this default list being drawn from. Only the user's list is drawn from if they input characters.
3. That for certain output possibilities (line 1 for this simplified generator), whichever list is used is consumable so that a character's name is not duplicated. For example, I would want "Ed can't stop thinking about Stede," not "Ed can't stop thinking about Ed." (I've attempted using [one] and [two] here.)

What is happening:

1. The first time the page is loaded, or if it is refreshed, in the 1st line, where I've tried to use [one] and [two], it shows up as "undefined." Once the generate button is clicked (and all subsequent clicks as long as the page is not refreshed), the output generates correctly.
2. If I add custom characters in the user input box (let's say "Jim" & "Olu"), on the first click of the generator button, only the 3rd line updates with these characters' names. On the second click (and all subsequent clicks if the characters are left the same), all three lines show up with the correct characters.

So I would like it if I could figure out how to make it so that: a) the output loads correctly when the generator is first opened or immediately after the page is refreshed (no "undefined") b) for the user input to show on all three lines once they've inputted their characters and clicked the generate button

Any help would be so greatly appreciated! Thank you for your time <3

Not sure if this is already a feature but i dont see it. Add favourites to perchances account menu so you can acess generators you use faster. By the edit and save button add favourite this generator.

Guys! Do any of you know what version of the Llama model Perchance AI Chat plugin uses specifically?

Hey again,

I just had an idea - given that you've recently implemented creation of rooms for comments plugin (which is quite cool), I think now it would be more or less trivial for you to implement "private" messaging (I say that in quotation marks, because channels are still technically public). You can hardcode the slash command with the syntax /invite <user id> <room name>, which would then trigger the API call as if both the inviter and invitee had created the same room. Alternatively, a smoother approach for this could be not triggering any API calls, but just display a system message of a sort to the invitee that they were invited to a room, and they would have a choice if they want to join the room or not.

Hello @[email protected],

Thanks for implementing posting to multiple galleries, this has been very useful! Looking forward for model updates. I came up with short list of further improvements for the UI.

Gallery:

• Add a button to 'share' already existing generated image to another gallery in the same generator (reupload it to another gallery on the same gen).
• Add the ability for the image owner to 'delete' the image from the gallery (maybe implement it as giving the image lowest score possible). It's quite absurd that the image authors can not delete their own creations, or at least hide them from everyone.

Comments:

• The way how custom room creation is implemented is IMO currently quite silly. Anyone can post arbitrary amount of rooms anywhere, and all hundreds will be added as tabs automatically (even if temporary). Also the attention of the user is not drawn enough to the newly created room. IMO, it makes sense to instead underline the room as if it is a link, inviting a user to click. On click, the room would open, even if it was previously open - then just switch focus to that room.
• Make it possible to share galleries within comments in form of a link, clicking on a link should add a tab on the gallery quick access you've recently implemented and open the gallery.

P.S. t2i by default uses a gigantic emoji pack, which is really great and has wide variety of emojis that are really fun. I assume these were downloaded from one of these sites that offer free emojis/stickers? Any plans to update them? I know that gen owners can add their own, but all popular gens are owned by the staff (or so the story goes). Would you add a small emoji pack I've made into the default list that t2i uses? weasel_eww = 78b0b8619a440661dc7eae5b6b0b8174.png weasel_angery1 = 09c65257bce2dbcbff3d4199da1924f3.png weasel_what1 = 08585158becf45446541832f7830aa04.png weasel_surprised = 841e86f81d6aede99e25402bfbb3c935.png weasel_tired = f90a0fdc2831bfeea2b00e13b4c1794f.png weasel_angery2 = 80a58b1eee31b4b9d9ec5b9e55f92d6a.png weasel_sleeping = 62da5d73e80cdb67ab2919753eb96926.png weasel_what2 = 2b08484dc2339ec37a71627c026f6222.png weasel_happy1 = 60c16d39b27ea3689175eb57108b1c76.png weasel_curious2 = a784e1ddf86ad3cc715b68c0b8c2e18f.png weasel_curious1= 41f00b405892f5888b21baa991297b7c.png

Unsure what the cause is, and it doesn't happen every time.

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Hello, Perchance Dev,

I have 2 suggestions for Text to Image Plugin (like in Civitai):

• LoRA, LyCORIS, Embeddings, VAEs, and other types of models.
• Be able to choose a checkpoint you want to use (of any base model).

I want to be able to use LoRAs, LyCORIS, Embeddings, VAEs, and other types of models besides Checkpoints. For example, if you're disappointed that AI didn't generate a character you wanted it to generate, you could use a LoRA or LyCORIS, and if AI generates images with boring dull colors, you could use a certain VAE to make colors look more vibrant.

I also want to be able to choose a checkpoint I want to use. For example, if I want to generate a cartoon anime image with vibrant colors, I might want to use Mistoon_Anime.

The way to use models/certain source of models you can use in Perchance is up to the developer's choice. Ability to import models from other sources (like in Tensor.Art) is also optional to the developer.

Hi @[email protected],

What's your opinion about making it possible to post at multiple galleries at once? Currently, we have to use seeds, which works but can be cumbersome, especially on mobile. It would be nice to have the ability to put multiple gallery names separated by commas when saving without having to think about seeds.

I created a character named Keisha Porter and she has 1 daughter named Lea. I never specified in her description she only has one daughter. My user profile is 11 years old and Keisha is 23. The two major things that showed me this are "Now, would you like to hold your little sister for a bit while I grab something to eat?" and "kisses [user, censored because it's my IRL name] on the forehead" I have since edited out the latter, and for the former, I said "She's not my sister, but it feels like she is!" That didn't rule out the "USER IS NOT AI'S DAUGHTER" thing.

Link to Keisha: https://perchance.org/ai-character-chat?data=Keisha~2c54f8e954d0fe5424e068cdf48a83a9.gz

On the editors, you can search/highlight with RegEx (Regular Expressions) however, the matches cannot be iterated, and you cannot replace them. The old editor allowed this (as far as I remember), as well as using the captured groups as replacement ( /(\d+)\.(.+)?/gm can be replaced with $1 - $2 to change the matches 1.Test to 1 - Test).

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There is a feature that was recently added which is the 'Edit Password' upon saving a generator that isn't yours (you are remixing another person's generator). It is for recovering/saving an edited generator without logging in (or those users that are having trouble with saving generators since the email verification is having problems).

Steps:

1. Click edit in the generator you want to edit.
2. Upon saving, and opt to create a generator (since you can't save a generator to an account since you are not logged in), it would then give out a 'edit password'. Remember/Save this generated string as well as the newly created URL (not the original one).
3. Later on (as long as the local storage is not cleared) you can navigate again to that newly created page (while still not logged in into an account) then enter the edit password after clicking save to return back/apply your changes to the generator.

A video demo of how it works.

After trillIons of years of it working errorlessly, edits to a custom T2I tonight caused me to get this error even tho my audio plugin was written with an eventlistener for click identically to how the Perchance Audio Plugin suggested script does. !

I'm not sure why the error and I think it doesn't matter. What matters is I solved it with this: ! so my code now is window.addEventListener("click", function(){if(navigator.userActivation.isActive && etc etc and it no longer bugs because it checks whether the user counts as active.

Whatever fringe scenario was causing mine to bug (a programmatic click perhaps?) would I'm sure also have happened with https://perchance.org/background-audio-plugin, and since I just solved mine with this nice little line, I am suggesting navigator.userActivation.isActive for https://perchance.org/background-audio-plugin too (to preemptively not have anyone encounter this bug).

It isnt an admin deleting them since it is happening on starlitsky too and I haven't set admins. Anything I type disappears.

Also here is me responding to glass, screenshotting, refreshing, screenshotting and you can see the comment is gone.

nothing i have typed today nor yesterday is there

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I'm not an AI-chatter myself, but I am still seeing many reports of weirdness.

Hi~!

I'm getting familiar with Perchance and the text to image plugin, so I modified a script from the guides to test tags blending a bit more. I'm trying to visualize task blending, but when the prompt is not fixed (contains other lists that are being evaluated than the blended tags). In that case, I would like in each row to only change the blended tags, and to keep the same seed and evaluations of the other lists the same (e.g., here I want the same animal). But I didn't manage to do that yet, as the animals are changing within the same row. I wonder if there is a way to partially evaluate the prompt a first time for each row and a second time for the blended tag.

Another way would be to do string formatting to handle the tag blending instead of using perchance lists (with a trick like this: blending_value = [blending_values.selectAll[counter]]), but I didn't see a part about that in the guides, and I'm not familiar with JavaScript at all.

Do you have some solutions for this?

Here's the generator I started: https://perchance.org/7zk7cvxzzl

I coded it to blend 2 dimensions of tags within a matrix, I use only 1 dimension here, so it should not be relevant.

Notes: The idea behind this is to visualize the tag blending on a sample of the possible prompts rather than a fixed one. Here, there are 6 animals, so we could try them all on a bunch of seed, but in practice, it's not doable, that's why I'm doing the sampling in the first place.

I guess the fix didn't work, mate ;/