Unai Simón, Aymeric Laporte, Robin Le Normand, Alejandro Balde (Fran García), Dani Carvajal (Jesús Navas), Rodri , Mikel Merino (Oihan Sancet), Gavi , Álvaro Morata (Joselu ), Mikel Oyarzabal (Bryan Zaragoza), Ferran Torres.
Subs: Fabián Ruiz, David García, Kepa Arrizabalaga, Pau Torres, Ansu Fati, David Raya, Martín Zubimendi.
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Scotland
Angus Gunn, Jack Hendry, Scott McKenna, Ryan Porteous (Billy Gilmour), Andy Robertson (Nathan Patterson), Aaron Hickey, Callum McGregor (Kenny McLean), Scott McTominay, Ryan Christie (Stuart Armstrong), John McGinn, Lyndon Dykes (Ché Adams).
Subs: Jacob Brown, Liam Kelly, Liam Cooper, Greg Taylor, Lewis Ferguson, Zander Clark, John Souttar.
Nobody cares about rugby in Spain but it’s a big deal in Scotland, since it’s one of the 2 sports you’re decent at. We have tons of success in basketball, tennis, waterpolo, handball, football, etc that we decided to suck at something to make it more interesting for the others
The rules are just a little confusing. At the end of the interference/impeding rule it says to call it as a foul. So it's both offside and a foul.
if the player moves into the way of an opponent and impedes the opponent’s progress (e.g. blocks the opponent), the offence should be penalised under Law 12
And its going to kill football. One of the stand out attractions of the sport is how the little guy has a genuine shot in almost every game. This is the complete opposite of most team sports which will pretty much always go to form.
Please explain how on earth the keeper can save that. He is nowhere near it, its going at some pace into the top of the side netting. If the keeper isn't near the ball it isn't interfering with play.
It initially got disallowed for a foul, why the fuck is the referee being called over to the monitor for an offside and being shown Hendry near the keeper. They are just trying to cover their arses for absolutely fucking it
Everybody saying that it's because they said foul then said offside. Like okay? It was the right decision in the end at least. I dont think you should feel robbed if it was the same result.
/u/MarcoRuss shared both Spanish goal replays, but unfortunately missed the moment of the match. More crimes against Scotland swept conveniently under the rug.
It does at least raise a suspicion that they were just trying to disallow the goal no matter the reason. And I don't agree with 'clear as day', but we are both biased so it is a pointless discussion.
Referee gets called over to VAR too look at a foul. Gives the foul. UEFA 10 minutes come out and say the decision was offside but refs don't go over to check offsides.
Genuinely making it up to cover their arses cause they employ a bunch of incompetent cunts
Tbf they do go over if the offside is ambiguous in terms of whether the player is interfering in play. He would have been asked if he was interfering. Whoever it was should have at least been onside for our own freekick and not give them this ammunition
Maybe the process of reaching the decision was wrong, but the end decision is still correct. So how can you be bothered to complain over not being given a false goal?
If he had disallowed the goal because VAR forgot to check for offside it still would have been an incorrect goal
The keeper made zero effort to get the ball. He wasn’t being hindered at all.
This is a hilariously bad take. He was standing right on top of the keeper and blocking him. Unless Hendry is a ghost how was Simon supposed to go through him?
That is a clear as day interference and only someone with insane bias could deny it
In the end why does it matter? It's clear offside. Never seen so much useless debate about a correct decision because a ref used the wrong handsignals.
But it was offside, so who cares how the ref reached that decision? The end decision is 100% correct so it doesn't really matter how they arrived at the decision
Even if we agree that he was offside (and I genuinely didn't see if he was or not from the briefest of replays once UEFA made their minds up 5 minutes later that it was offside) - the ref signalled for a foul, so mechanically the goal was wrongly disallowed.
In that it was disallowed in an incorrect way. Which is pretty piss poor officiating.
Tbf they do go over if the offside is ambiguous in terms of whether the player is interfering in play. He would have been asked if he was interfering. Whoever it was should have at least been onside for our own freekick and not give them this ammunition
In the end why does it matter? It's clear offside. Never seen so much useless debate about a correct decision because a ref used the wrong handsignals.
It's genuinely enjoyable watching the Spaniards in thay thread get so unbelievably rattled, all over a wee diddy team who, until recently, hadn't been in a tournament since the last millennium.
And all this just for Scotland still to be sitting at the top of the group, lol
It’s likely some sort of translation issue. They were checking if Hendry was interfering with Simon all along The bloke doing the graphics has interpreted it as checking a foul rather than offside.
The fact they changed the decision for the disallowed goal is wild. It went from being a foul to offside. But why would the ref go to the monitor to review an offside???? Absolutely bizarre officiating, even if it was correct they really fucked it
Spain deserved to win, scotland did nothing during the whole match, mctominay goal is, in my opinion, offside, however, i can understand why scottish fans are so mad about It, nevertheless, i think that scotland is going to qualify for the euros.
The fact they changed the decision for the disallowed goal is wild. It went from being a foul to offside. But why would the ref go to the monitor to review an offside???? Absolutely bizarre officiating, even if it was correct they really fucked it
What a career Navas has had. I'll always have a soft spot for him. I was really impressed with Merino tonight. Scotland played well all things considered. They always seem to play Spain tough and are still in a good position.
Spain didn't do much to dispel Spanish footballs horrendous reputation there. Ref bought into their bullshit too unfortunately. Spain dominated as they should but it's difficult to accept that farse.
For me just now, I don’t let it ruin the moment I celebrate regardless. So it’s more waking up the neighbours and then feeling like an idiot. If the goals stand it’s worth it but if not I have some apologies to make 😂
But going forward I’m afraid it will take it away and I’ll actually have to consider even watching at all. It sucks
First of all, it's hilarious to see r/soccer once again getting their knickers in a twist over a perfectly correct refereeing decision. The Scotland player was offside and clearly interfering with Unai Simon. That's why the goal was disallowed not for a foul..
Anyways, Spain were clearly the better side and if Ferran scores his early sitter than it probably would have ended 4-0 or something. Scotland showed great fighting spirit and threw their bodies on the line but no one can deny that they were outplayed for most of the match
Spain has now won 25 home matches in a row in Euro qualifiers. More than any other side in history
It initially got disallowed for a foul, why the fuck is the referee being called over to the monitor for an offside and being shown Hendry near the keeper. They are just trying to cover their arses for absolutely fucking it
Absolutely ridiculous decision to disallowed the goal from a fair cross into the goal which one, the offside was unfair because he let the ball go all the way and wasn't interfering the shot that came in. Second the goalkeeper looked like a noob by not standing guard against his goal but decided to go in the net with a gentle push which is enough to not let the goal stand. The refs need to think straight next time because they're very soft to Spain.
I can accept that Hendry may have been offside, but then why did they make the referee go to the screen? Am I wrong? Don't the VAR officials usually make offside decisions themselves? At the very least, shouldn't the referee get the lines applied to the screen so he doesn't have to rely on his naked eye?
It seems like the referee did in fact disallow it for being a foul, and ten minutes later the VAR officials told the commentators he was offside because they realised that was a stupid decision. Just a shitshow all around.
Don't mind losing to a better team but anyone trying to claim that McTominay goal was correctly disallowed is absolutely on one. Keep in mind, regardless of what UEFA try to claim 10/20 minutes after the fact, that the goal was initially disallowed for a foul. Lyndon Dykes is getting completely manhandled at the same time but somehow Hendry is the one supposedly giving away a foul, complete and utter shite from a referee who had a shocker.
No you didn't. You explained why UEFA changed their minds later and said it was offside, But you didn't explain why the VAR and the ref both thought it was a foul.
Spain is way too busy sucking ass at speaking foreign languages, having the 2nd worst level of English in Europe only behind Hungary, but we’re coming for you you Puskas boys 🤬🤬
If at the time the referee awards it due to offside interference ....then why does he wave for a direct free kick (foul) and not an indirect free kick (offside) ?
I think it was offside. My problem is the ref was called to look for a foul, called for a foul, UEFA said it was a foul and then 10 minutes later UEFA come back and say it was actually offside. That is a complete joke of a performance from the referee and VAR and is not fit for a game of this magnitude. Adding to that I thought the referee was completely woeful for the rest of the game as well which only added to this.
It wasn't, it is a combination of people a) being very emotional after a major decision b) people not knowing the rules and c) a signal mistake from the ref, even though I am not sure about that since I didn't see the refs arm after the decision was made.
an absolutely fantastic response that nobody could have come up with except for you. i'll remember this one forever, do you mind if i use it on other people?
Anyone that thinks that goal was reviews and overturned for an offside is a fucking moron. Refs don’t go to the monitor for offside and he also gave the free kick and not offside signal.
Well, after this boring and controversial match, I may have something to say.
Personally, I think that Scotland's goal was valid. But even if it counted, they were playing like Getafe and it was a matter of time that someone scored. And the second Spanish goal was just perfect, que barbaridad Joselu.
Anyways I have to say goodbye to all of you Guiris, Mountain English and fellow Spaniards. 🇪🇸
Time will tell mate, you won’t even get out of the groups stage if you get to the Euros, the same way you embarrass yourselves every single tournament you play, be it football be it rugby, it’s Scotland lads
I'm not convinced this is a universal thing across UEFA. In the official Laws of the Game document there are pages on refereeing signals with no mention of these
I can't believe all the Al-Andalus fans are this worked up about beating Scotland lol. You'd think they just beat Argentina. Behaving like sore losers even after winning a game. How embarassing.
I was talking about international football. But even with Celtic, any win we can get in Europe is special. Can't imagine what it's like to be a Barcelona or Real Madrid or Bayern Munich supporter. Domestic trophies are a formality and not that exciting unless it's a tight race against our rivals.
In bigger stadiums yes, but I visited the Camp Nou and Anoeta (Reale Arena) the past year twice and they didn't show anything on the screen other than "VAR Check". Same in Cyprus where most stadiums don't even have a big screen.
It might be different in each country, but even then the stadiums announcer/producer is who is responsible for that.
because not also was it not even offside, it was not given for an offside, it was given specifically as a foul, the players were told by the referee it was a foul, the signal given by the referee was for a foul, the stadium screen itself said foul
I need a bit more Scottish salt to put it on their self inflicted wounds.
Again.
There's no whining like the British whining.
You had 24% percent possession and zero shots at goal close to the 70th minute but you have the nerve to claim you deserved something. How about you play some fuckin football first.
Aye, we're a relative micronation in comparison but hold the most patents through invention and science, you watched tonight's game on something we invented.
Not going to lie, I have no great love for either the Scottish or Spanish national teams but it is brilliant seeing how much the Scots have boiled Spanish piss over these two games
I didn't see the celebration so I'm not sure what you are referring to, but I doubt I'd be that angry if my team celebrated a win against any team. I'll take a 2-0 over Luton and be damn happy about it
Like winning but still being angry and bitter about it instead of happy with the 3 points and moving on. Evidently from so many of the comments from the Spaniards here, they're still bitter about us pumping them 2-0 at our ground.
Our team's not that good anymore, we won, it's the national holiday, we're happy. I understand that "happiness" has yet to be invented in the land where the sun doesn't rise, but that's no reason to be so mad about it.