I'm actually quite pleased at the new influx of users! There's finally a good amount of activity and real discussion going on here, instead of just posts with links to articles with zero comments and no real OC.
Aside from that, I have enough faith in the moderators and the structure of the platform itself that there shouldn't be too much of a toxicity problem. Honestly, my own biggest fear is just that a lot of the new users here lose interest and move on, returning the platform to its earlier days.
For now, I just hope that the servers don't go down in flames when the 12th comes around. I can't wait to see how this platform will look further down the road though!
I literally just signed up and this is the first comment I've read. I feared we might be seen as outsiders so thanks. I've been banned from Reddit for quite some time but lurked on RIF. Hopefully Lemmy can scale in time.
Maybe, maybe not, but the instances have the option of closing registrations for a bit if they get overwhelmed and need to regroup. This is why it's nice to see lots of other instances popping up across the fediverse
I'm in Lemmy for, like, two years? Mostly lurking. I've been looking for alternatives for longer than that though.
I feel like the monsoon is mostly welcome. Content quality may decrease a bit, but the quantity will make up for it. And quantity is what has been missing IMO.
In special I'm hoping for specialised instances about some subjects that I enjoy. I like the Lemmy instance but stuff like anime and conlanging "feels" off-topic here.
In special I’m hoping for specialised instances about some subjects that I enjoy. I like the Lemmy instance but stuff like anime and conlanging “feels” off-topic here.
Do you mean for subscribing to the communities of these new instances, or would you completely switch to that instance (create a new account there)?
I've noticed some lags/asyncronity with non-home instance content. I guess it would make sense to be home wherever is the most and best fitting communities. But that would also mean leaving behind the stuff of the current account.
I'd be using those instances alongside lemmy.ml. I want to talk about anime, but I don't want to just talk about anime; and here I get some nice tech-related content.
Hear hear!
I expect to be some bumps on the road, but the Lemmyverse was really quiet until recently. Now it's gaining so much life and shaping into an active and pleasant platform :3
Yup. I got a few of them, although they're mostly too incomplete to use for conversation. Most of them for a constructed world.
In special I feel like I should be able to help newbies with phonetics and phonology. Not just "how to read the IPA", but also stuff like "how to choose phonemes and allophones that fit the goal of your conlang".
I'm an ex Reddit user. It seems inevitable that the Reddit admins will lock out third party access - I could be wrong but based on recent years, Reddit doesn't like to listen to it's community.
I hope that the toxicity stays away, but it's likely there will be toxic users at some point. My main gripe with Reddit was the lack of actual reading. Most mainstream subs were just memes / circlejerks / pics. I'd much prefer to learn something or read something of value over "lol-ing" at a pic.
Wanting to learn something hits the nail on the head. I recently came to the realization that I used to learn things on reddit, especially in the comments. Not sure when that stopped but it's why I had been wishing for an alternative for a while.
I still learn things there. I keep my subscriptions pretty clean and tailored to really interesting things, but have a mulrireddit called "fun" where I can browser brainlessly and have a laugh.
Yes, toxicity will inevitably appear more (it was already present in small amounts 🙃) but I'm hopeful the lack of a karma system may help to mitigate some of Reddit's typical "bad behavior".
Honestly, while most people here have been alright, toxic newcomers have been a problem and I consider this place ill-prepared to handle them in a bigger wave than this one.
There has already been an observable culture shift, and some nasty screaming when some newcomers used to being a majority are challenged in their views and shocked to find a nontrivial pushback. And I feel that lemmy.ml will undergo a similar event to /r/antiwork if there isn't staff action taken , where the place loses all its values and just becomes a sanewashed recuperated place that feels cheated when its founders keep saying what they said from the start. People largely just don't read rules or sidebars, it seems, and realize lemmy.ml explicitly says it isn't a general unthemed instance for everyone. It's broad, but not 'reddit' broad, nor (pretending to be) politically neutral. Relevant source
Edit: I realize this may come off as "why aren't other people doing more things!". I realize the staff/devs are overloaded, I'm not blaming them to telling them to drop things. But I regret how few moderating/admin staff were recruited, and we're seeing how many communities were made 4 years ago and have no active moderation, nor culture to avoid this becoming 'reddit but here'.
I don't know how to interpret "everyone should feel welcome here" other than it is for everyone. As far as culture shift, it really is impossible to maintain the more "fringe" leftist culture with an increase in users, marxist-leninist simply do not exist in large enough numbers. I don't really see why lemmy.ml shifting its majority political leaning would be something negative to you, since the only thing that would happen would be more discussion in the comments, and if discussion isn't something desirable, places like lemmygrad do exist
I'm not even talking about the M-Ls, I mean even as broad as anti-capitalism and tech/FOSS. There was a meta discussion a while back I started seeking clarification on what "leftist" in the lemmy.ml blurb means, suggesting something less vague. Because to the devs, it evidently doesn't mean 'progressive capitalists'.
This isn't just some preference, because these factors are precisely why Lemmy won't become another reddit disaster. And no, they're not niche groups. Even on reddit, these communities are substantial!
The API shenanigans (more like the IPO generally) finally gave me the nudge I was waiting for to actually give Lemmy a try after meaning to get around to it for a while. I have no fucking idea what I'm doing, but I'm glad I'm doing it somewhere new!
I'm annoyed at calling people who dislike an app and choose another website "refugees"
I'm happy that we're going to have more activity
I hope more instances will be built and maintained, because I don't think the large number of new members can be moderated effectively if they keep flocking to the same handful of instances
When in doubt, I hope moderators will be too strict rather than not enough, especially in the beginning to make sure the behavioural expectations are very clear
Hopefully it's moderated much less. Don't see how it wouldn't be since it would probably take more effort. The excessive, special interest driven moderation is what really killed reddit long before this api issue.
just to emphasize your point there about calling people refugees. I always lurked reddit to the point of using libreddit only lately, and never felt the drive to contribute
with reddit's shenanigans, I found out about this place in one of the posts asking for alternatives and it's a whole different atmosphere and I feel more comfortable not lurking anymore
all this to say that I am here because of reddit's actions, but I'm not a refugee
I'm new here from Reddit. I was a former Digg user. Over the past few years, Reddit has gotten swamped with spam and low quality content. I was most at home there on the niche subreddits that were still earnest and not spammy. I hope things stay that way over here.
I've made a small donation to help Lemmy grow. It's not much, but scaling up to handle the escapees is a big deal. Having the money to grow and build robust processes to keep content thoughtful and helpful is important. While I love the funny posts and memes sometimes on reddit, it's really infested the popular subreddits to the point of being excessive. Ergo, I tend to hang out in smaller spaces where the dialog is more "straight up".
I found it on the main lemmy page where you sign up for a server. It probably needs to be posted in more places, like on the communities pages. (there's a patreon site too where you can donate)
Here is their donation page with all three currently supported options.
I don't know much about Open Collective, but LiberaPay does not take a cut (only the fees of the payment processors) so I would discourage you to choose Patreon.
Edit: Actually there are more options listed since you can also donate crypto.
I'm one of the new ones, but I've been aware of and interacted with Lemmy and Mastodon for at least a couple of years.
For me, I liked what I saw but felt like they lacked enough of the network effect to convince my nontechnical friends to make the jump with me. That made me concerned that they would shrivel up and die. I'd recently been interacting a bit more though, Mastodon especially, since I'd say its gained a good amount of traction given Twitter's...cancerous CEO. Every couple months I found myself downloading Tusky and Jerboa to mess around, but hadn't made it a habit.
Reddit's API changes were a line in the sand for me though. I decided I didn't care about my friends following anymore, and I was ready for a smaller community again, with less rage bait and predatory capitalism.
I’m on the same boat as you. Especially being ready for a smaller community. Things will definitely be different but there might be a silver lining to how this all plays out.
I am also very similar to you. I just got my first lemmy instance running. I love the idea that I could have a reddit like tool that I can host myself and control. But I need active community and subs that I'm interested in.
I'm just happy to see more users and more activity. I admin an instance, so I'm not too worried about toxicty, as I can dump any regular sources of trouble
I'm excited to see new communities, more communities, more participation. I'm dreading the inevitable periodic and maybe frequent drops of servers as they struggle to cope with the influx and admins learn how to scale.
EDIT: oh shit, my eyes just skipped right over the whole of "before" in the title
I joined the Beehaw instance a bit ago with a small exodus from Tildes, another Reddit alternative. It's been nice to see the community grow and grow steadily as time progressed, and seeing the Reddit refugees makes me hopeful for the platform's strength going into the future regardless of what Reddit does with its API (or other features).
As for the toxic side of Reddit, I'm more concerned for the devs in having to deal with the reports, but as a Reddit mod myself, I don't think it'll be too bad. At least on Beehaw we have a supportive community and I'm reminded of a video talking about the userbase of the early UseNet and how they dealt with the first spammer (not necessarily their methods, but the fact that they rose up as a community to enforce a community rule). Hopefully we can see that here (i.e. "the report button exists").
I'm a long time (mostly lurker) user on Tildes and I'm wondering this too. I just did a quick search over there and I don't see any mention of it, so it doesn't seem like the exodus was publicly advertised at first glance.
I'm a new user here and saw the influx of Digg users on Reddit. It did change the site and we got a mix of more less-thoughtful discussion but also a lot more content which was funny and interesting. I'm thinking Reddit might not survive this as a global forum, following in the footsteps of Digg
I've been thinking about the issue of less-thoughtful discussions from large numbers of users. I think the phenomenon is inevitable. I also think community topics being duplicated across the federation will help with this.
Let's take technology for example. So [email protected] might end up as the most reddit-front-page feeling, with [email protected] a little less comment-memey, then smaller instances having progressively smaller communities that better reflect the focus of the instance's overall slant.
The best analogy for communities and instances might be newspapers or TV channels. You're going to get a sports section on CBS, NBC, WaPo, whatever. They will largely publish the same stories, but with very slightly different feels. As you get into smaller publications, like say the regional publication from your state's sportshub city, they will tailor to the interests of that particular area.
As users, we not only get to choose how broad the interests of the communities we subscribe to but we also get to subscribe to communities that are redundant (for lack of better word) so that we can stay in touch with very broad looks across an interest while having more focused and perhaps higher-quality discussions at the same time.
The place and platform is capable of growth and diversity ... on which, many should consider starting their own instances just to spread the load and allow people to find their moderation homes.
I've been wanting the fediverse to be more topic/group/community based than a twitter clone since I got here, so it makes sense to see some interest in these "Threadiverse" style platforms.
There'll be growing pains, and the current admins and devs are probably going through some pain now. Sorry! I just hope enough community leaders, former sub-reddit mods and future admins will see the value in distributing social media and help pick up the slack.
More broadly, for those who don't know, IMO, the fediverse has been suffering from an essentially oppressive dominance by Mastodon. Everyone thinks the fediverse is just Mastodon. Though that's completely untrue, as there are a number of alternative platforms, some of which are rather novel and interesting, it is numerically very true with Mastodon comprising >80% of fediverse users.
Generally, this amount of dominance is almost certainly bad for the future health of the fediverse and the values it seeks to promote (ie, interconnected platform and community diversity). Mastodon, at the moment, is creeping towards being just another centralised platform ... essentially an OSS non-profit Twitter in its own right, which isn't a bad thing at all, but not what the fediverse is about.
Enter the Threadiverse! Lemmy, /kbin (and even calckey a little with what will hopefully become its federated channels), and others. Not just platform diversity, but medium or format diversity.
At this moment, IMO, it is very valuable to the fediverse at large, that lemmy, /kbin etc grow and do well.
@Uncreativechap All I can say is I am hopeful that on the political topics there will be a more diverse set of opinions and more mindful discussions, beyond the level of If you don't agree with me, you're clearly a glowie who supports US atrocities or the likes. Not to mention having more intellectual voices promoted and discussed than the one of Noam Chomski for example (with all due respect to his work on documenting US Government abuses and not only).
I fired up my own personal test instance so I can experiment with figuring out ways to reduce bottlenecks on the sysadmin/devops side - used to run the various PHP forums back in the day, so hoping to pass on some knowledge eventually.
I figure the toxic side(s) will gravitate towards instances that will tolerate their behaviour which is easier to deal with. Mods will be busy for a little bit though, and I wouldn't be surprised if registrations closed for a bit on some of the bigger instances so they can catch up if they don't just fall flat over on the heavy days. But, lots of smart folks trying to prep for this.
It's still a little unknown at this time what you need to handle X number of users, beyond a few hundred. Beehaw.org is pretty open about what they're using though in their financial statements if you're curious, but there's of operational optimization being tried out to see what'll help.
The stack is: postgres, pictrs, lemmy (Rust), lemmy-ui (nodejs), and nginx. RAM usage isn't too bad, but so far I see CPU and disk I/O (pictrs) as the limitation. Websockets are being removed which was another hurdle - would cause nginx worker threads to max out and drop instances off.
I'm on a 6$/month droplet as a reference for my single user instance and I'm subbed to a boatload of communities. So far I'm not having problems, but I made a 2GB swapfile for safety if RAM somehow spiked. CPU usage for me tends to spike when a community is being loaded for the first time due to image processing, but otherwise things are pretty idle.
Only been here for a couple of years and haven't yet gotten a feel for the platform. I hope Lemmy can handle the traffic spikes, I've already seen tildes.net go down lately.
I feel like it could be a good thing, more new content to interact with and see. I'm hopeful that new communities will sprout that are completely unrelated from any reddit counterparts.
More activity and more users to interact with means I can be more active too. I have another account from April 2022, and I know what I'm talking about.