The Fediverse should do what redditors have always wanted and Reddit Inc. has always refused to do; Distinguish between NSFW and NSFL.

Nsfw, Nsfl, and "Porn"

I like nsfw memes but dont want my feed full of porn. I have a seperate account for porn.

Yes, a renaissance artwork that contains naked women, actual hardcore porn, and a Russian soldier being blown to pieces in Ukraine, should not occupy the same "NSFW" tag...

Of course there's going to be grey area stuff, but 3 buckets like this is much much better than a single "everything people might not want to see" bucket.
But all the sfw porn subs ruined it.

Need a new tag like “sexporn” or “genitals”
- I think sfw porn is still porn. If we're being honest, it's not sfw either
- Sounds like we’re just describing tags at this point.
- SeGz
I feel like the lines at that point get way too blurred. It would be like having a "porn" and "full blown porn" tag or hardcore versus softcore.

I will admit a distinct NSFW tag could be good for somewhat taboo stuff like mildly offensive jokes for example.
- Would be kind of hilarious. You can have one normal tag like "serious" is for ask lemmy, then a million tags like soft core, forced, NSFL, etc...
  
  Like the fediverse would be catering to SO MUCH PORN at that point
- What if we just had specific tags that we could filter for. everything gets the nsfw tag but we have specific tags for nudity, violence, etc.
How do you actually find porn on Lemmy? I've tried and failed.
- Apparently lemmynsfw.com.
  
  But it's mostly celebrity pics, so I'm not entirely sure where else.
- sort by new search term "nsfw", subscribe and filter from there.
NSFW is an American construct, in Europe people don't get scared by nudity. If Lemmy is truly worldwide, we can get rid of it.
- In Europe you wouldn't want a dick on your phone while you are in the office or on the subway
Dig it
This and also

politics or religious

dull stuff like sports

By "porn", I suppose you mean nudity?
- At this point just have a tag system and let people vote on tags. It's a great way to get to reddit-like niche content curation at smaller acale across many smaller instances.

Or just copy Mastodon and do content warnings. They're a lot more versatile.

How so, for those of us who are avoidant of other places?
- I'm confused on what your question is
  
  A content warning tag is similar to a spoiler tag, but you can fill out the warning yourself. So you could type something like "movie ending spoiler" or on Mastodon you'll see considerate triggers like "TW: suicide" for various trigger warnings.
  
  Which the ability for that makes more sense then having multiple individual tags. Also ActivityPub supports it already anyways, and it works nicely on Mastodon
https://github.com/Neshura87/Lemmy-RFC/

(if you want this feature, please comment here as neshura isn't currently planning to implement it)

I haven't seen anything gorey here, luckily. I would much rather see an automatic video tag for both titles and comments. Kind of sick of opening YouTube unintentionally.

I regularly see videos and images from the war in Ukraine on lemmy. It is marked as NSFW, and blurred, so it looks nearly identical at a glance to content that is NSFW due to sexual content.

I would prefer if those two things were visually distinct in the interface.
- Maybe it's because my main account is lemm.ee? I just don't see that stuff at all and I primarily browse All.
There was some video a few weeks ago where some guy fucked up passing on a motorcycle and shredded his foot. Then showed it, quite graphically.

Not Safe for Work versus Not Safe for Life?

I think content warnings would be a better approach to this, all other fediverse software have content warnings anyway. Making community content to force use content warnings would be helpful too.
- i agree, use of cw would be more useful because ’nsfw’ is just too vague and not specific enough.
Porn vs gore
Not safe for lemmy
Lol even I thought it's not safe for life and was wondering what's that about
- Life is correct, NSFW is just something risqué or something that has bad language that you shouldn't look at at work, but NSFL is like gore or something disgusting or terrible that you shouldn't look at EVER, ANYWHERE unless you're desensitized lol
Not safe for looking. Gore, usually.
- I've never once heard it called "Not Safe for Looking".
  
  Thats like a few years ago when my wife said she thought LOL was "Lots of Love".
- Al Gore?

RIGHT!?!?! Like I hate taking a gamble on whether I'll see an infected maggot ridden foot or a big breasted cat girl turning into a Willy Wonka blueberry.

At least I did on Reddit, I can't get the porn to show up on Lemmy outside of one or two completely dead instances I have to go out of my way for.

Some of these responses seem to find bouncers and springers more gross than wounds, death and diseases. Like a bunch of psycho puritan Catholic warmongers.
- We grew up watching people getting cut in half in movies while mom covered our eyes if a nipple appeared lol
- Bouncers and sprigners?

Can we add spoilers too?

They are already there. But it's in wonky markdown....

::: spoiler spoiler ___ :::
- Huh, that does not work in Voyager.
!Eternity for Lemmy test!<

>!"Insert text here"!<

Edit: Cool, it works.

Absolutely. Throwing everything that you may not want to open at work in with hardcore porn as an all-or-nothing view choice is incredibly shortsighted.

Yeah, porn stars would appreciate being able to see their work without having to expose themselves to Gore et al

Where even are you seeing gore? I left Reddit a while back and I miss eyeblech.

There's plenty of combat footage in the various combat footage and Ukraine related communities.
one more reason to not go back: they banned it.
- Wait, they banned eyebleach? Fucking monsters...

NSFW and NSFL can mean different things to different people and cultures.

Best example is that in some countries, showing a boob isn't straight away NSFW as much as it is in America.

Opposite example: In America, showing blood is almost G rated at this point (at least it feels that way to a non-American watching American media). In China you effectively can't show blood in any media.

As has been mentioned in the comments already one solution would be more specific categories, probably customizable by site admins to suit their particular site culture. Either that or a site can stick to just a single NSFW tag to donate a more "hey, this might not be the best thing to look at".

The distinction is made to differentiate between two very different and clearly separated categories, one being just inapproriate to show around (a boob on your phone in a public is inappropriate pretty much everywhere, not just in the puritan US) and straight disturbing content that you might never want to see, even in private.

Different customizeable categories would be needlessly complicated to implement in every client

Just do NSFW and PORN.
Porn is the reason for wanting a distinction, so don't beat around the bush.

A gore or nsfl tag is much more important than a porn one. The disturbing shit that will haunt my nightmares is what I want to keep off my feed, I'm not particularly worried about accidentally seeing some genitals.
No, the NSFL tag is more important imo. I don't mind seeing tits randomly, I do not wanna see gore ever, period.
- Even NSFL could be ideally split into NSFL and ENSFL (Extremely Not Safe for Life)
  
  I don't mind seeing like an X-RAY of somebody who broke their arm in 4 places, but a photo of it IRL and blood everywhere is ENSFL
I think gore as well. Things can be nsfw but also not gore.
- at that point it'd probably be better to just have a CW system like Mastodon
oh yeah I'm doing bro don't worry

This is one of my dream features to make lemmynsfw moderation easier, alongside site mods and content warnings (alongside the ability to edit and force nsfw on posts in specific communities... and maybe being able to by default turn off instances caching OUR images as a "do not cache" server flag....)

I can see many people in the comments mentioning various levels of specificity for the tags. I think porn and gore should perhaps have a tag each. Maybe one or two more categories, but having too many would complicate posting on Lemmy a lot. For example, whether or not to put a politics tag may be ambiguous in some cases. I'm not sure about historical artwork, as there are situations where it's normal to be viewing it. There are also some works that I'd rather not be seen looking at in all places: some of that stuff got weird. Not to mention: people marking things NSFW as a joke just confuses things further.

I never noticed it being a big problem though. I think just having one, two , maybe three different tags at most and letting communities play it by ear would work fine.

No

Why
- because "not safe for life" makes no sense

NSFL is just another name for gore or footage of death or injury. "Not safe for life" is not a thing. There's no actual image that can kill you unless you have epilepsy or some other form of photosensitivity. I heard "Not safe for looking" but that's an idiotic acronym, and most people don't interpret NSFL that way at first, and it still has the connotation that it can physically harm you for some reason.

I think nobody thinks about NSFL as some form of physical damage, but as something that could get you traumatized.
I always thought it was "Not Safe For Lunch", as in it could be vomit-inducing.

I'd rather we get rid of downvotes, serves no purpose but too "disagree"

Screw that nonsense. Trash exists and should be binned, your comment case-in-point.
- Downvotes basically allows for dogpiling and allows stupid people to circlejerk. Also, i am perfectly ok with getting downvotes but others are not. These weak boned sensitive weenies delete their comments the first sign that people disagree so thats why you see everyone agreeing on everything. This is compounded with the fact that the fediverse is a series of bubbles so, for instance, i will immediately know I will disagree with someone if they have a lemmigrad or hexbear in their name.
Downvotes help to mitigate disinformation, ads, etc. It's a big reason why old reddit posts are such a good resource for so many topics. When any random idiot can get their garbage upvoted at the same rate as an actually useful comment, you end up with Facebook or those copy paste/AI articles at the top of Google searches.
Yeah but I mean that's a pretty good purpose
- 🔥Hot take - I think unless the post being disagreed with is some kind of troll or spam post, the op or ocer might appreciate a discussion around it.
  
  People usually disagree because they view something from a different perspective, and most times that perspective could be a valuable thing to share IMO
I am not a fan of this idea, but there are instances with no down vote button. If you prefer it no down vote button, it isn't too hard to find those instances.
There are lemmy instances where downvotes are disabled. It also affects the sorting 'algorithm' too IIRC, so browsing on a no-downvote instance vs the opposite can yield quite a different looking feed.

It also allows you to look at content from a different perspective, rather than passing by something that's been bonked with tons of downvotes.

Active moderation is pretty key though where there isn't the possibility to downvote, mainly because off topic/spam content can't be downvoted and won't disappear from feeds unless deleted by a mod.

Lemmy mods are generally really proactive with removing spam/offtopic stuff IMO, so I'd say to give it a shot if you're interested. A lot of no-downvote instances aren't federated with lemmy.world though, and my current one has closed signups so it might be tricky.
Upvote: "I like this."

Downvote: "I hate this/you"