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Has Lemmy just been completely flooded with CCP apologists now?
RedNote ToS includes provisions that require you to post "correct views on history, nationality, state, or culture".
I guess if you believe Taiwan should be "returned" to the mainland, Uhghurs deserve to be "re-educated" and enslaved, and that China is the natural and rightful pre-eminant global power... you're gonna be fine.
I took it as "don't pretend we don't have censorship too"
Saying "there is censorship here" in no way implies "there is not censorship there"
But wtf? Censorship isn't when someone prevents unhinged personal attacks? Why is "free speech" not the ability to report on corruption, but now about being able to use hate speech and shit? It's never been the case and not hard to differentiate between them
It's false equivalence though, although with the election of shadow president Musk it's getting a bit more hazy.
Even so, one is an (admittedly hugely influential) private company and the other is the actual single-party government dictating what speech is allowed.
one is an (admittedly hugely influential) private company and the other is the actual single-party government
The US has been governed by public-private partnerships for centuries. Trying to draw a line between the industry administrators that get promoted into every crevice of public sector bureaucracy and the elected politicians who depart office to serve as lobbyists and board members of private firms is a fool's errand.
Do we celebrate Chris Dodd the Senator and denounce Chris Dodd the chairman of and chief lobbyist for the MPAA? Do we applaud Hank Paulson the Treasury Secretary and denounce Hank Paulson the CEO of Goldman Sachs?
Americans seem to have no trouble drawing a straight line between Singapore-incorporated ByteDance and the Chinese Communist Party. Why can't they see the connection between Howard Lutnick or Linda McMahon or Betsy DeVos or Elaine Chao and the businesses they own and operate?
Hey you'll get no argument from me. I'm on Lemmy for a reason. But it's still not the same as just straight up "the government decides what is thoughtcrime"
"the government decides what is thoughtcrime"
the owner class decides and they control both the corporation and the state.
You find this arrangement superior to Chinaman daddy model... which is fine, that is your opinion. But at the end of day, there is no much difference beyond who gets oppressed and for what reason.
You are appear to accept economic oppression as preferable because chinaman bad.
I think I'm about done here. This is why no one likes spaces like Lemmy. The absolutely condescending "Unlike you I understand the world, but you're entitled to your worthless little opinion of course". Holy hell. Not to mention the repeated casual racism which I'm guessing you're trying to project on me? Try to do better dude.
When all of the companies do it and they do as they are told by daddy Sam... What is the difference.
The only difference I see is that they don't send you to gulag in US unless you really make some dear leader life uncomfortable.
Americans still do a lot of self censorship. Anything Israel related gets modded into shot on normie socials.
Luigi is prolly best example... They are suppressing that across all media, fake news and social... How is this different from shepoohs bullshit?
I'm not defending the bad things our government does. But do we see mass arrests of people wearing Luigi shirts? Will you be denied a passport as a result of posting some critical message on social media? I had friends, very average unimportant people, who were detained for days at a Chinese airport for having a social media history showing support for Taiwan. It's not the same thing.
We have several prisoners at Guantanamo with absolutely no tangible connection to terrorist organizations. They have been there for 20 years in some cases and have no release or court date scheduled.
Again I'm not trying to defend that bad things our governments do. And Guantanamo is an especially egregious example, I agree. But Guantanamo is something exceptional, not the norm. How many inmates does Guantanamo have? You can look it up, it's public information. You can protest it, you can vote for politicians that agree it should be closed. And yes it's not as easy as that but it can be done.
But now try to stage a public protest against the treatments of Uygurs in Beijing. Try to get details about the people imprisoned there or the conditions they live under. Hell try to find out what happened to your disappeared relatives.
The difference is one is at least paying lip service to ideas like rule of law and democracy, even though at times it breaks its own rules. The other says rule of law is irrelevant.
But Guantanamo is something exceptional, not the norm.
orly?
Is that why US either highest or second highest prison population?
You have been providing very naive, regime sanctioned talking points. You don't do any critical analysis of the conditions imposed.
Nobody disputing that US provides limited freedom of assembly. But it does not make US some how superior when they are still oppressing the population. You don't appear to recognize the economic oppression being "as bad" as whatever shepooh does to his property?
Is economic oppression and bureaucratic murder of the population supposed to be some how morally superior?
It's very hard to stay interested in discussion here. It's just one hyperbole after the other, not to mention folks constantly shoving talking points in your face as if you said them and then arguing against them so they can feel that they won the argument. And all that peppered with this condescending tone. Well fine, you won buddy, congratulations.
Us has largest prison population in the world?
Capitalist regimes targets people differently but the function of the oppression is the same.
Yeah oppression is universal to some extent. But there's a big difference between a government that says "everyone is equal before the law" but which sometimes breaks those rules and a country that says "the law is what we say it is"
Which one functions better as a whole, given our current social problems, I don't know. But from a personal point of view I'm very happy to live and have grown up somewhere relatively free.
But from a personal point of view I'm very happy to live and have grown up somewhere relatively free.
Everyone says this until their targeted...
This is essentially the logic first they came for the communists... I was not a communist...
The modern regime know not to push it too far, generally that's just bad business but they always need some marginalized group to oppress for the performative purposes to remind the plebs who got the monopoly on violence. And gen pop accepts it as "ohh well, they do it to black people etc, at least it won't me, carry one"
At the core us and Chinese pedons behave the same with the same excuses for why their daddy is good, other daddy is bad.
If you oversimplify to the degree that "all governments use oppressive tactics some times" then yeah you're right. Obviously. But how many communists is the US holding in reeducation camps at the moment? How many cartoon characters are banned because they look like the president?
And again I understand our current trajectory doesn't look great, I understand our governments can also use oppressive tactics at times. But to say CCP and the US government are identical is just blatantly disingenuous.
But to say CCP and the US government are identical is just blatantly disingenuous.
Nobody said that.
But to pretend that chinaman government is some how "worse" because us government doesn't target you is naive
brought to you by the same users that made:
- you're a Nazi because you don't support Palestine
- Harris is evil, vote 3rd party
- I'd rather vote for Jill Stein than vote for Trump
- Harris is just as bad as Trump
- If you support Harris you want to kill Palestinian babies you Nazi
- Democrats and Republicans are the same
- If China is bad, America is worse
- American censorship is worse than Chinese censorship
- TikTok was banned because it was a threat to the American surveillance state
you’re a Nazi because you don’t support Palestine
Legit. Supporting genocide kinda invalidates your other points.
Okay, but if you recognize genocide in Palestine, that's just a vote for Donald Trump who is a Nazi.
That means recognizing genocide makes you a Nazi. Only by ignoring genocide, shutting up about 3rd parties, admitting China is worse, venerating Democrats as the only good party worthy of your vote, and apologizing for any kind of environmentalism that might cost us the election can you truly stand up for the people of Palestine.
And since Harris didn't win, we know you broke these rules. The only reason you'd do that is if you secretly conspired to hand Donald Trump the election, because you're a Nazi.
Legit. Supporting genocide kinda invalidates your other points.
Let's flip that around. If you support genocide right here at home because you were concerned about genocide abroad, that kinda invalidates your other points.
I dunno maybe some folks can't have more than one thought in their head at a time.
Edit: I see there are at least a few people who think it's perfectly ok to usher in a new era of trans genocide in America so they can loudly proclaim their Very Important concern about Palestinian genocide. I'm glad you feel strongly about that issue, as you should. I'm just not too keen on it coming at the cost of many trans live right here when you really could have been concerned about both at the same time.
I think a real genocide, which has been called out by the International Criminal Court, trumps your imaginary, fantasy genocide.
Comparing whatever it is they think Trump will do to trans people, to the near complete annihilation of a nation while killing 100 plus thousand people on live stream, is a wild thing to do. Bananas.
Incredibly, two bad things can exist at the same time. They don't have to be equally bad for you to be concerned about both.
Oh look! A genocide pissing contest!
Which you started
Not really.
Lmao yes, have you not been spending much time on here? The second biggest instance is run by tankies
Let's just say I roll with the stricter, more traditional definition of "tankie" not the current definition which is much closer to "people I disagree with"
Yes, I'll take my downvote now sir.
Then you can go and browse through it and see how their moderators and admins ban and censor people who call out their genocide denial. I'm aware of the euphemism treadmill but I really do mean what I say.
What about your genocide denial?
I'm of the firm belief that everyone denies genocide, they are just selective about which ones they choose to deny and which ones they choose to be Very Very Upset about online.
Uhhh, I don't know what genocides you think I'm in the closet about lol, anyone who thinks Israel hasn't been committing genocide is insane and the US has been disgustingly complicit in it. It's not hard to see
anyone who thinks Israel hasn’t been committing genocide is insane
Completely agree 100%
The difference is that while you focus all your outrage on Israel's genocide other genocides, both figuratively and literally, still exist.
Why do you choose to ignore/deny/de-prioritize those ones? Serious question.
Pretty sure Lemmy has always been full of people who support freedom of speech, open internet, internationalism, anti-censorship, etc.
It's got nothing to do with "apologizing" for some state targeted by this wacko genocidal empire.
Um, whut?
Lmao Lemmy was founded by the .mls, this dude has no idea what he's talking about
Yes, been that way from the start and is made by them.
Mostly no (I hope), we’re just laughing at americans literally not being able to read anything soaked with propaganda and switching from one source to another.
Ccp apologists can suck Winnies dick
we’re just laughing at americans literally not being able to read anything soaked with propaganda
All Americans? Everything they read?
RedNote ToS includes provisions that require you to post “correct views on history, nationality, state, or culture”.
Damn that private company implementing Terms of Service to limit discourse to historically accurate topics of conversation. Now I'll never get Wuhan Lableak blurbs and weird religious propaganda injected into my video feed.
I guess if you believe Taiwan should be “returned” to the mainland, Uhghurs deserve to be “re-educated” and enslaved, and that China is the natural and rightful pre-eminant global power…
I mean, what gives the US the right to encircle Taiwan with its Navy? Why were we so fervent in defending the right of Afghani teenager girls to obtain an education, but so cavalier in denying it to Uighur girls threatened by the same Islamic radicalism just on the other side of the Afghan/China border? How do we have US Senators and CENTCOM chiefs debating the best method for severing Chinese exports from the international markets, while asserting the threat of Chinese global supremacy?
It's all upsidedown and backwards in America-World. If you want to talk about Chinese global hegemony, consider the methods at their disposal. To quote Dr Lubinda Haabazoka, Director of the University of Zambia Graduate School of Business and former President of the Economics Association of Zambia
Every time China visits we get a hospital, every time Britain visits we get a lecture.
It's "correct views on history, nationality, state, or culture" as according to the CCP. Imagine an American company with that clause, but those "correct views" were as according to the US government. You would be against that, yeah? Imagine getting your comment removed because you question the US's authority
You're just describing Reddit.
Yeah I love how reddit banned /r/Sino
Oh wait, they didn't. They actually allow their users to criticize their government
I'm curious what that has to do with kowtowing to the US government. I think I provided a pretty good example of proof that Reddit doesn't moderate based on what their government says is true
I think I provided a pretty good example of proof
:-/
Found the China zealot. Do you get paid or is this just for the love of the party?
I stack my Renminbi in one closet and my SorosBux in another.
But what do you do with the ZuckBucks?
I keep them in my back pocke... glances down at non-existent legs OH NO!
Sound like you don't have a leg to stand on. Maybe MuskBucks are the answer here.
RedNote ToS includes provisions that require you to post "correct views on history, nationality, state, or culture
Tankies got all their canned responses with links to do their every chance they get. I wonder if there is a central repository for this
I think they just post the same stuff over and over. It's like quoting Bible verses - they're trying to prove it to themselves.
I wonder if there is a central repository for this
Perhaps in a little red book.