Hachyderm admin: if we were to cost of the people working on this instance, it costs $1.50/user/month, $8.50/active user/month.
Hachyderm admin: if we were to cost of the people working on this instance, it costs $1.50/user/month, $8.50/active user/month.
@thisismissem @mekkaokereke @dma so stats, based on dec 2024 exit run rate (rounded for simplicity): #hachyderm costs about $1600/mo to run. this is up somewhat, as we've started to add some infra as part of our resilience plan announced in nov. we currently have about: - 55000 users - 9700 MAU - ...
Lol, I run multiple FOSS services online, two of which have thousands of MAUs. I consider myself lucky to be even covering the hardware costs at this point. I would love to even make an extra 500 Eur per month for myself given the amount of time I spend doing sysadmin, automation, PR, development and just being an active part of the communities.
We really need to change in what people consider valuable and how little actually is needed to help. Like literally, all you need to do is spare 1$ per month on your social media that is your primary home. If every user did that, all those service providers would have so much support.
I don't know how it could possibly be implemented, but I wish there was some kind of application or token that ran on my devices that would track how much I visited or used various pieces of FOSS software and services and then at the end of every month would pay each one from a predefined amount of money I set for how much I think I can afford for all of it. Maybe before actually sending the payments it generates a report stating the breakdown and allowing me to tweak the percentages.
Likely a privacy nightmare even if entirely locally running, but would be sweet.
If every user did that, all those service providers would have so much support.
I completely agree in principle. But the reality is that the overwhelming majority (like 98% of them) don't do that, and they just expect to keep using things for free, until whoever is backing the thing gets broke and/or burned out.
And when it happens, they just move on to the next instance. Rinse, repeat. Like locusts.
The things is, there's plenty of people who are willing to open their wallet for their services, they just prefer paying corporations, instead of donating to FOSS.
meta makes 156B per year, assuming 3.98B users per year (average monthly active users). that's about 39$ revenue per user per year and 3.2$ per user per month.
If you want to make that kind of money, i think they only realistic option adding ads with an option to pay to disable the ads. i never saw a open source project raises that kind of money with fundraising. even then i am not sure it will work because i think i read a report that people who block ads basically don't read them when they can't block so those ads will make no money.
I donate about $7 a month to my masto instance (Hachyderm, funny enough) because:
- Twitter wanted $10
- I know about 1% of users donate
- I like having an independent instance run by people I feel ideologically aligned with.
For similar reasons I will very likely donate something to db0 this quarter to support my Lemmy habit.
I still have reason to use Facebook, reddit, Instagram, and those places all suck. It's so dire scrolling there and literally 80% of the content is ads. I canceled all my streaming services this year but I'm still going to pay for independent social media because it's worth it.
Great, unfortunately you are in the minority. Seems like only around 2% of the users donate to their instances, and even the ones that do are covering only the hardware costs.
Yeah host-ers on the fediverse are not making money that's for sure.
I self host a number of fedi systems. Mastodon used to be the most "costly" in terms of CPU and storage.
That seems super expensive, and/or some bad math like 4 users on a paid server.
Edit: gets accused of gaslighting by OP... Stay classy! Still Super expensive BTW.
The math is right there at the post. 8 people working at $10000/month, for 55000 registered users.
Mind you, 10k per month per person is actually still less than the actual cost for a professional admin. You can argue whether they really need that many people, but please don't question "the math". It starts to look like gaslighting.
9$/month to send toots? Really?
I love how the first admin that reminds immediately says talk not working 32 hours a week lol
Does this apply to lemmy 1/1?
Paging @[email protected] so that he can see why my service offered for $29/year is actually quite a bargain.
Dude, just get over it. I think you're charging more than you should, I'm not gonna change my mind if you tag me.
Especially if I can see just from the scale and price that it's not cost-optimized, they simply hit the scale where they need to get smarter about optimization, just throwing money at the problem is no longer there.
Comparing your small-scale service to that is dishonest.
they simply hit the scale where they need to get smarter about optimization,
Read again, because it seems you are refusing to understand.
Optimizing the hardware/server part is completely irrelevant. The operational costs are less than 3 cents per user, it's the labor of the people working there that is going unaccounted.
your small-scale service
You are going at this backwards. My service is "small scale" because most people are still expecting to have social media offered to them for free, or at best they think that the labor should be free and that the only thing "worth to be paid for" is the server. And because there are still so many people who are willing to run instances for fun/as a hobby, they are effectively pricing their own work at zero dollars, and then of course others will flock to those instances.
So, yes, of course we can not compare my service with the larger instances, because these instances are effectively operating at a loss and they just don't care about it.