Linux @lemmy.ml drascus @sh.itjust.works 6d ago

there is just something about FLOSS updates

When I just see my TV taking Linux updates it makes me feel so cozy. For context sake I have a veroV running osmc.

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Needs more scrolling wall of text for my liking. ;)
- Yeah, bar progress is sus
  
  Sees GUI (TUI) interface
  
  Pathetic
- I prefer to see changes in RAM and CPU registers in hexadecimal or binary output. 🤓
What am I seeing here exactly?
- Its osmc updating on the veroV
- Assuming this output is indeed NOT from a HDMI or other external display input. This seems to be a some kind of Whiptail UI on the command line, it's showing an update of systemd package unpacking (after the package is downloaded) on ARM platform. TV seems to be of the brand Element, never heard about it TBH. Systemd is used today by many Linux distros as a replacement of the traditional init-scripts. No other information is present in either the screenshot or the description.
The "wait for the bar filling up" should be a documented addiction in WHO standards. 😅
FLOSS? FLee and Open Source?
- I believe it stands for Free/Libre Open Source Software. I think the idea is to explicitly indicate both free as in beer and free as in speech. However, to me it just sounds like throwing in a romance term for the sake of it. But maybe I'm just ill versed on the whole free/libre divide?
  
  English has one word for libre and gratis. Some people add the "libre" to make it explicit.
  
  There's lots of software out there that is available to use without payment, but is still license restricted in such a way that you are not permitted to redistribute, modify, use for commercial purposes, etc. To many, these rights are the far more important facet of "free" software, above what it costs.
  
  But since the English language has the same word for all of these concepts, we have all these yucks running around with zero-cost but right-restricted software wearing the "FOSS" badge thinking they're part of the club. So some people add "Libre" to the acronym to explicitly disambiguate.
- As someone else said its free libre open source software. Not my term I just use it because it tends to piss off the least amount of people.
  
  I've read it as Free-Licenced Open Source Software before.
  Which doesn't clarify much IMO but it turns the abbreviation into a word!
  
  At that point, just abbreviate it LOSS; Libre Open Source Software.
  Free/Libre is a bit redundant, isn't it.
~~That moment you realize you are fetishizing something that was a carbon copy of a Windows mechanism originally designed by people at Microsoft/Apple.~~

I stand corrected. Thank you catloaf and lordnikon
- I don't normally engage with comments like these but you do realize Unix predates windows by 10 years. So much so that windows used the bsd net code is some of its network stack up till windows 8
- Updating is a windows mechanism now?
- Which part? Package installation (not windows), TUI graphics (IBM PC, predating Windows), or dialog/whiptail dialogs (1994, based on the IBM PC line drawing)?
- The difference is user consent
Ew I don't want my TV running systemd
- I have actually seen some people with this kind of opinion regarding systemd, but I still do not get the hate about it.
  
  Can you elaborate what is so terrible about systemd?
  
  EDIT: typos
  
  Ah no, please don't start another thread like this. We've had our experiences, that's it.
  
  The unix philosophy is that a piece of software should do one thing, and do it well. Systemd does a dozen things, all of them poorly. It's an especially poor choice for an embedded or appliance system.
- Xbian uses upstart
- Libreelec is systemd-free ☺️
  
  What do they use instead?

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