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Marvel Rivals dev on why Rivals succeeded and Concord failed - "it didn't bring any unique value"

www.videogamer.com Marvel Rivals dev on why Rivals succeeded and Concord failed - "it didn't bring any unique value"

Marvel Rivals game director Thaddeus Sasser explains why PlayStation exclusive Concord failed upon release.

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All CEO's are going to take from this is they need to use popular IP's to make their low effort trash.
- I was going to say "Marvel License".
  
  If it were just 33 generic characters, or 33 comic book characters nobody ever heard of (Astro City anyone? Anyone?) it would have tanked just like Concord.
  
  But, at the same time, it CAN'T JUST be the license. It's also free to play.
  
  Look at Marvel Midnight Suns, which wasn't F2P, had the license, from what I'm TOLD was a decent game, but didn't go anywhere:
  
  https://www.pcgamer.com/games/strategy/the-devs-of-the-underplayed-marvels-midnight-suns-once-more-blame-the-games-commercial-woes-on-the-cards-i-really-dont-think-it-was-the-cards/
  
  A far better comparison is the Avengers game before that, which is a genre that the average person is more likely to play in the first place. Customers will avoid a game that they don't want, even if hundreds of millions of dollars was spent on it.
  
  from what I’m TOLD was a decent game, but didn’t go anywhere:
  
  It's an amazing game.
  
  The cards were a great way to handle combat, it was just a lot of new ideas, and the story parts slowed it down. If running around the abbey was something that could be turned off as an option and everything handled on a menu splash screen it would have done even better.
  
  Nah, Midnight Suns was not good. They had some good ideas in the actual game play, but the other 80% of it dragged everything down.
It's free

The gameplay is good.

The characters are designed well

If Concord had done two of those things, it would have been fine instead they'd didn't even do one of them...
- "Free" wouldn't have saved Concord. They had basically no interest in the game from the time it was revealed, and the open beta player numbers supported that. Putting a price tag on the game was an attempt to bleed out less profusely.
  
  Yeah concord was"free" during open beta and lost users. It was just unappealing all around
- I heard the gameplay wasn't awful, it just wasn't stellar either.
  
  I got as far as seeing it on a store shelf, going "Huh, I didn't hear about this one..." (Googles) "Live Service!" - "Right then, I'm out!"
  
  I got as far as seeing it on a store shelf
  
  It's on shelves?
  
  Most paid games don't have a physical release because it adds costs these days, it's surprising they have physical copies.
  
  Is it just a free disc that tells the hardware to download it? Or some kind of collector's edition with extra stuff?
  
  But give it a try, quick play is quick play and you won't get a good team comp, but I got to silver in ranked and people know what they're doing most of the time. You won't always get two tanks, but two heals and a tank is the worst I've seen.
I feel like this is all marketing BS, and just shitting on the garbage that was Concord to gain more eyeballs
I didn’t even hear of concord until it was dead, whereas marvel you can’t escape from hearing about.

We’ll see if Rivals survives. It’s completely unbalanced so far.
- Stupid seasonal buff that make some healers heals 15% more, dps deal 20% more damage and tanks have 15% more HP. They need to remove this idea ASAP
  
  It's a really weird choice to not have the first season without these modifiers if they're dead set on having them.
  
  Oh wow I hadn't heard about this. Please don't.
  
  I mean, it's certainly one way to have "flavor of the month" characters without actually having to rebalance things monthly.
- It's really not, everyone is just really strong. It's like Paladins where everyone is a monster if you learn to play them.
  
  Some characters are weaker and others require more effort, but every character has a counter pick that wrecks them, so team comp is important for different roles at different times. Sometimes you need a backline assassin, sometimes it needs to be a dive character. I really like it since it forces less onetrick play and actual team coordination.
It failed because their business model was very stupid. Paying a hefty price for what should have been a F2P with paid cosmetics was it's doom.

However, I bet it would have had a hard time anyways even if they did everything right.

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