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Moving is cheap and easy! Abandoning your social circle will lead to happiness! Giving up everything you've ever known is the moral choice!
If you don't do this, you're partly responsible for bombing kids and should feel bad!
Easier to support genocide I guess. And yes, you are responsible for bombing kids - you pay taxes to the government that does it and you vote for people whose policies allow it to happen. You don't get to play the victim of a system when you are a cog in the machine.
Don't remember playing the victim, my dude. It's not within my power to change it
You are playing the victim. You say you can't change it. You say you can't move. Those are all lies. You can do all of that, you just don't want to. This has been proven by millions of people who have done just that - whether comming into the US, into the UK, Germany, France, or any other country. And yes, voting for policymakers that support genocide and paying taxes into a country that later go to a country to support them in commiting genocide, is "partially supporting genocide" whether you like it or not. An angry facebook post saying "I support Palestine" isn't worth thousands of dollars of your taxes being used on ammunition that later kills people in Gaza.
What are you doing accomplishing making angry comments on Lemmy? You should be volunteering for Amnesty International full time or you are complicit in genocide
You don't know me but you don't even realize how funny it is because the answer is "I already do, try a different gotcha"
You're literally on Lemmy right now when you could be helping people. Aren't you full of guilt that you aren't spending every second of your day helping others?
Or is there some imaginary line that you've crossed but no one else has?
I'm not helping people out of guilt because I don't have guilt - my taxes don't pay for a genocide. I do it to help people. You try to move everything to seem "less bad", you are trying for gotchas when there aren't any. You see "helping people" offsetting "supporting genocide" somehow. Your conscience won't be silenced because you ask questions that don't have anything to do with the fact that you are supporting genocide. You wanted to go for a "you are a hypocrite too!" approach and when it failed spectacularly because I do help people full time, suddenly that's not enough and every second of someone's day needs to be dedicated to doing that "or else you are the same as I, the genocide supporting person that votes for genocide enablers".
It's not a gotcha because I'm not trying to get you. I am making fun of your superiority complex and ridiculous claims that people who don't to move to a new country when their government is doing bad stuff are supporting genocide.
Just because YOU allegedly found it so easy to drop everything in your life doesn't mean everyone has that ability. We are a social species and a lot of us aren't emotionally capable of that kind of separation, not to mention everyone caring for or being cared for by others.
1/3 of the country is struggling to survive paycheck to paycheck and your self-righteous ass is out here calling them heartless. You don't deserve the pedestal you've placed yourself on
Again, whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep well at night. Maybe you'll get a movie about your titanic struggle. By all means, vote for the genocide and then try to convince yourself that you don't support it. Pay for the rockets with your taxes and convince yourself it all went to a children's hospital. After all doing something is inconvenient so let's not do anything. And we can't really accept the truth because then - owie, brain hurt.
PS remember the million Russians that left the country when the invasion into Ukraine happened? Yeah. You are less moral than all of them.
"Moving is cheap and easy!"
true that! much cheaper than paying for American housing.
and much easier than getting your driver's license.
the healthcare and, yknow, all infrastructure is cheaper too, and simpler to access.
"Giving up everything you've ever known..."
well, this is wrong.
what do you imagine you're giving up?
do you think other countries don't have supermarkets? or cheetos?
"you're partly responsible for bombing kids..."
If you are paying American taxes, a significant amount of your income is going directly to American military activities and aid, including that going to Israel(and many other countries).
If you live outside the country most of the year, you don't have to pay those taxes that yes, are "partly responsible for bombing kids".
there are viable alternatives to submitting to the implied impotence of this meme.
That's a fact, Jack.
Couldn't think of a way to spin losing your entire support network into a positive I guess
You're complicit in slave labor if you use electronics and should feel awful about it, by the way.
"Couldn't think of a way to spin losing your entire support network into a positive, I guess"
sorry to hear that happened to you.
upaide, even if you've lost everybody, it's really easy to make friends while you're traveling.
everyone's very interested and gracious.
"You're complicit in slave labor if you use electronics and should feel awful about it"
you mean you don't feel bad about being complicit in slave labor?
sorry to hear that happened to you
Are you? You're the one who skipped the line while stretching to dismiss my other legitimate concerns about your fantasy suggestion
I don't feel bad about being complicit in slave labor for eating food and using electronics because I need food to live and I need electronics to earn money to buy food. If you go far enough down the chain in anything, you're likely to find human rights abuse. All that letting myself feel bad about every single awful in the world would accomplish is making me depressed to the point of being unable to care for myself
"Are you?"
yeah, I know a couple people who actually lost their entire social network and their family recently because of trump, and tons of people before that from drugs.
not having any friends f or any support like you're going through is like the number one cause of relapse and drug abuse and basically every depressive-adjacent syndrome.
so I don't like to hear that, even if it happens to people who are trying to be rude or belligerent.
not having friends or support is probably playing into your belligerence.
"I don't feel bad about being complicit in slave labor..."
wow, that is dark.
you might want to feel a little bad about it.
"If you go far enough down the chain in anything, you're likely to find human rights abuse."
couple things here.
- what you're talking about is not down the chain, it's the slave mailing the phone to Apple Store, who is providing you with the electronics.
it's like two links in a chain.
Fairfield is a great alternative that supports workers rights and provides documentation their supply chain.
- your conclusion is that the more likely human rights abuse is are, the less bad you should feel about them.
That's not uncommon to hear, but it is not correct.
human rights abuses should not be happening whether they're close to you or far away, or there's one child being whipped or 200 children being whipped.
you've defended child slavery and human rights abuses like twice into two paragraphs, and even if you aren't being serious, you might want to re-examine your ideals that have led you down this path to defend child slavery and human rights abuses because.....why?
nobody's arguing that human rights abuses are good, you're just bragging that you don't feel bad about child slavery and human rights abuses.
That's weird.
That's a weird defensive posture, especially when nobody is taking the opposite stance.
I will leave you with this:
My first comment had four sarcastic sentences in it. You jumped through hoops to justify why you believe three of them sincerely. The one you did not address was about losing your support network.
My reply suggested that you chose to omit that line because you could not figure out a way to spin it as a positive. You are either being deliberately obtuse or you genuinely haven't figured out that I was referring to you.
I won't say I regret responding but I will say it felt like a waste. I accept now that nothing productive will come from further interacting with you so we'll leave it there. I hope you have a good rest of your day.
"My first comment had four sarcastic sentences in it..."
uh huh.
"I won't say I regret responding but I will say it felt like a waste."
oh no!
your crafted insincerity didn't pay off?
"I accept now that nothing productive will come..."
fifth stage, good stage.
"I hope you have a good rest of your day."
thanks, you too.
Americans seem to hate change and endlessly try the same things expecting different results.
My Stockholm syndrome has worn off and I've been putting an hour a day into language learning since the war started.
I look forward to taking your advice and making some friends.
That's great to hear, both that the Stockholm has worn off and that you're learning languages.
what are you learning right now and which app are you using?
Duolingo used to be my go to, but not no more, I find it pretty exhausting, so I'm trying out different apps and recently got into drops, which I'm enjoying.
pretty simple layout, and not as much grammar, but good design, fun mechanics and I'm learning vocab fast.
if you have any questions about traveling, feel free to shoot them my way, I'm happy to answer what I can.
I'm learning Mandarin Chinese currently, and you're right that Duolingo can be almost pointlessly limited.
Duolingo can be a fun/gamified way to kick off learning, but different languages have very different levels of support. (Hindi is known to be wrong/misleading for one.)
I've shifted to using a mix of free courses on YouTube and other apps including HelloChinese and HSK 1.
Drops seems really interesting especially once grammar is down, great to drill vocab.
I may take you up on your generous offer for more advice later!
They didn't answer your question, so I will. If your entire support network hinges on the fact that you are in a specific place at a specific time in the XXIst century? You didn't have a support network at all.
There are millions of people living abroad, leaving their families and going into the unknown, alone either to get a new start or to help their family make ends meet. Hell, that's why the US exists, it was built on the back of migrants. The difference between you and them is simple - you care about yourself and nothing more. You will deny it and in the same breath you'll tell people to vote for a candidate that supports genocide. You would rather live an easy life, whitewash away the "tiny issues" in your mind so you can sleep easy at night, despite supporting mass killings with your work, your time and your money.
The difference between me and my ancestors who came to this country is that my ancestors came together as a families and other settlers, you sanctimonious douchebag.
My support network is my friends and family and yes, proximity matters a great deal to providing said support. You think people get the same thing from talking to strangers than the people they've known for 30+ years? Get real. Maybe your arrogance is keeping you from forming meaningful bonds with people.
You're up on your high horse telling someone to start their life over because their taxes add a drop into the ocean of military funding. To think that moving countries will have any meaningful impact on the deaths of innocent people is truly assinine.
Go stroke your ego elsewhere
Hey, whatever lets you sleep at night man. Take it on the chin and know you are compliant in the genocide. And the only reason why you are getting angry is you know I'm right. The dissonance in your head cannot let you realize the truth - you think of yourself as a "good person" and good people don't do that. So suddenly your taxes become "a drop in the ocean" instead of "a bullet in a Palestinian's head".
I guess you can't smell the horseshit when you've been riding it for so long but it really stinks