[Discussion thread] Joker - Folie à deux
[Discussion thread] Joker - Folie à deux
Summary:
Arthur Fleck is institutionalized at Arkham, awaiting trial for his crimes as Joker. While struggling with his dual identity, Arthur not only stumbles upon true love, but also finds the music that's always been inside him.
Director:
Todd Phillips
Writers:
Todd Phillips, Scott Silver, Bob Kane
Cast:
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- Joaquin Phoenix as Arthur Fleck
- Lady Gaga as Lee Quinzel
- Brendan Gleason as Jackie Sullivan
- Catherine Keener as Maryanne Stewart
- Zazie Beetz as Sophie Dumond
- Steve Coogan as Paddy Meyers
- Harry Lawtey as Harvey Dent
Rotten Tomatoes: 39%
Metacritic: 48
Just watched it; I think it was a good movie for a deep study of a unreliable narrator and that external support was gated on playing a role. Fill a roll or fall through the cracks, and lose people's good will, since you no longer are the idea they like.
As a joker follow up movie, it was a massive miss, and probably wasted people's time who went to watch it.
Just came back from it, I regret sleeping on La La Land, because had I watched it, I would have skipped Joker 2
Because of the musicals? It had a few numbers but I didn't feel like it dominated.
Thanks for sharing!
Disjointed mess that you can expect from a writing session based around a singer, an actor, and a director, that hated their original movie's audience, scribbling on napkins, to make.
It feels like the producers told them it still had to be a joker film and that's where you get the makeup and action set pieces from but they get ignored every time for excuses that are basically "because we shouldn't tell this story, we think, we will sorta berate you, and give you no reason to watch this as it's all fake"
I just realized it's still a rip off of Scorsese and like a literal reverse of "Shutter Island"
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Oh man you thought he was
a detectivethe Joker the whole time? No he's just a crazy person who is miserable, and the real villain isguilta different joker.Your spoiler section is missing the point which is what the movie was showing and that's rather funny.
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There never was another joker or another personality. The whole point of this movie is Arthur thought he found a community and someone who loved him for the mess that he was but everyone only wanted the other Joker to start a movement or light the world on fire and in this world nobody gets what they want. ::
I hate to see dead threads so I'll start..... critics said it was.... Boring.. Is that true?
Not boring, just somewhat lengthy. To be fair, I barely noticed it's length, until a moment ...when it seems to be the end, but then well, no, that wasn't the end. Movie continues :P
Curious too, let's see what other people say
I found that I felt the length with this one, where I didn't with the first.
Also I feel like it wasn't a Joker movie at all, but like mentioned, a psychological drama exploration of mental illness of this man Arthur Fleck. And with it supposed to be a Joker movie, many parts of it annoyed the hell out of me - I kept saying, "that's not the Joker!!"
Turns out I was right, supposedly the director wanted to make the first movie but it didn't get accepted until they tweaked it to add the Joker IP into the character
Taking away that lens, I enjoyed it significantly more
It's only boring because it doesn't really go anywhere.
I was intrigued with the first half of so, but the film does a flip near the end that just takes the film ultimately nowhere.