Why is the mod of conservative also the mod for LGBTQ ?

If you look at the content feed of /c/conservative most of the recent posts seem to be fairly anti-conservative, or at least not very flattering. For example "Almost Twice as Many Republicans Died From COVID Before the Midterms Than Democrats" was just recently posted.

In other words they may be modding both subreddits because they're not actually conservative.

Scroll back to see what they were posting originally, the stuff with the downvotes was nasty. That's why people got together to change that.
- You'd think the moderators would be removing the anti-conservative stuff though if they were actually conservative.

Good grief, their community list is absolutely bloated, probably an attempt at powermoderating or domain squatting if I had to guess. It is unfortunate that they're modding LGBTQ+ though, they seem to suffer from a case of "enlightened centrism" and that is pretty harmful given today's climate for trans rights. (For context, the post in question is a single panel comic of a trans person dragging a child into an gender affirming care clinic, basically perpetuating the groomer libel of LGBTQ+ people)

@Goathound @Hurts @Izzent Maybe he was over here a long time ago. Went to reddit. Saw all the popular communities and Created all of them. I would signup for another instance, create the community you want. then link everyone. enough people then they will get bigger then the one on lemmy.world instance. Worth a shot
- This is both the upside and downside of Federation!
I think this is the most likely answer, just another power mod.
- I wonder how long it will be before "power mod disorder" gets into the dsm
Centrists spits are conservatives who just don't feel comfortable calling themselves that, and in a country where fascism is already on the rise, they're effectively collaborators.
They do seem to be actively posting in a lot of the communities, so maybe it's just someone trying to seed new Lemmies. There's a lot of people that want new communities but also don't want to moderate, so someone like this could be filling an actual gap if they have good intentions.
- Yeah people are making so many assumptions about how there is a conflict of interest with moderation in /c/lgbtq while there is literally zero activity in /c/lgbtq. There are so many baseless assumptions being thrown around. People should start posting in /c/lgbtq and if @Hurts proves to be an issue moderating there, he clearly is more than willing to step down as head mod there just like he did at /c/Conservative.
- This is correct. I have already passed off ownership of c/conservative, I'm simply just another moderator now. I have also added mods to any of the communities that actually have content (most of them do not without me seeding it). I have not rejected a single request from anyone that reached out to moderate any of the communities (the biggest ones are c/nba, c/nfl, c/baseball, c/pics, and c/news). I was discussing adding someone as a mod on c/news last night before I logged off and one will be up today. I haven't received any requests on c/pics but the volume of posting isn't really unmanageable.
  
  Edit - And anyone wondering WHY I didn't remove posts from the one guy that was posting there, the answer is because I believe the voting system should be allowed to do its thing. All of his posts were heavily downvoted, it shows exactly where the community there or those passing by stood on the posts. I don't believe in overmoderation which Reddit fell victim to and curated those echo chambers by removing content and posts they disagreed with.
  
  Edit 2 - Screenshot of DMs showing discussions with a c/news user that contacted me where I state that I don't want the posts to come from incredibly biased sources
  
  Edit 3 - Grammar

Probably creating many communities. Though I agree it is difficult to remain impartial on topics like this.

Yeah, their "moderates" list is huge. I hope that with individual instances having more control here, we don't see quite as many of these absurd thousand-community mods.
- The benefit of the fediverse is that if something like that does turn out to be a problem, the server admin can replace mods or we can use a different instance.

Oh. This is interesting. Now we need /c/lemmydrama ....

grabs popcorn

I'm not sure. They may be a power mod, trying to grab as many communities as possible, they may be trying to infiltrate one of the communities, or they may be some form of a centrist or conservative queer person. One of the good things here is that the mod logs of these sites are open to the public, so we can keep an eye out for unjustified bannings or iffy behavior from this user and move away from their community if needed.

having open mod logs seems like an improvement on reddit.
- I agree. I think it leads to better accountability and less overall censorship, while still allowing for a healthy level of moderation.

@hurts is also a mod for both "Republican" and "Democrat".

I've defended myself in comment replies but I guess I'll address the post directly as well.

Kind of shitty to wake up and see this and a whole thread shitting on me, when I've done nothing but try to seed and build communities here. Any communities that have gained traction I've gladly accepted new moderators for (see c/nba, c/nfl, c/news, c/baseball), as well as stepped down as the head moderator at c/conservative.

The literal only action I've taken as a moderator at c/conservative before this morning was reapproving comments that were removed for no reason besides disagreeing, and messaging that moderator and telling them that isn't how we will be doing things, which is because I don't intend to ever cultivate an echo chamber. See here to view the message

To automatically assume that I have no LGBTQ+ affiliation or some insidious agenda is nothing short of slanderous and disingenuous. I have already personally stated that I am gay multiple days ago when one of the commentators on c/news attempted to call me out for this. See here for the comment chain.

I have not rejected a single person that has requested to moderate any community that I started/seeded, and have already passed off ownership of one community out of the 5-6 that actually gained a bit of traction. The only thing I'm doing here is attempting to fill this site with content and keep any personal moderator bias' aside whether that is from myself or the people I appoint as moderators within the community. Here is a screenshot of messages I exchanged with a user from c/news yesterday, where I again explicitly state I prefer the posts to come from sources that aren't incredibly biased in either direction.

I have stated in another comment that I am very centrist. I am not passionate towards either of the main US political parties more than the other, and I think that quite frankly makes me more fit than most of the people here to moderate these communities as I won't curate echo chambers.

Starting an entire thread to brigade and witch-hunt someone that is trying to prop this site up and provide content and communities from Reddit to ease the transition is a great way to quickly ruin this site. The fact that an admin at 2am EST intervened on a community because it upset some users for having different views and handpicked a moderator doesn't bode well in my thinking that this site would be any different than Reddit.

You can always come to kbin’s LGBT or queer communities and avoid that drama.

Federation is awesome!!

I don't the the community is actually conservative, but rather critical of conservatives.

Scroll back, you'll see what it was like before a concerted effort to change that happened.

beehaws LGBTQ+ community seems pretty good if anyone is looking for an alternative

I agree, it's great :)

I really hope it's in good faith, cause if it is, that may be a slimmer of hope that conservatives can co-exist amongst LGBTQ+. I'm more of a centrist (no, that does not mean I play the both sides are equally bad or I play both sides, get that out of your heads) and I have a few conservative opinions. This does not mean I agree with the extremism of the U.S. conservatives pushing laws and misinformation to opress LGBTQ+ and other minorities. It's sickening.

What does "conservatism" mean to you? In my opinion there is no functioning definition of it that is safe for LGBTQ coexistence.
- I'd argue that the aging gay NIMBY community in San Francisco is an example of being both LGBT and conservative, though they vote almost 100% democrat. I don't think Republicans and queer folks can coexist, given the whole "want to erase anyone not straight from existence" thing. But conservative and queer is definitely a thing.
- Should mean secular small government and fiscal responsibility, but that party never existed.

Ignoring the whole.... thing.... is this something kbin has the ability to prevent? Is first-come-first-serve moderation baked into the platform, or do we have a way to democratize/decentralize moderating, recall moderators, etc.

Or do we just have to accept the inevitability of mediocre power mods?

Can someone do like reddit did and like... make a TheRealLGBTQ+ community or something?
The only way for owner of a magazine to step down, currently, is to elect someone else as co-mod and then leave. Users on any platform could always sub and post to other instances and leave the powermod holding his dick, but this kind of thing may need to be addressed in the future.

Not sure whether voting people in/out of mod powers is the way to go, as it leaves good mods hyper susceptible to takeover brigading. At the very least, some hard limits need to be the norm. Maybe restrict it to 10-12?? No one should need to mod 30 different things on any instance.

This is...worrisome. I hope it's just to flood the server with communities for people to explore and join, because I think being conservative is ideologically incompatible with the existance of LGBTQ people, since the conservatives are always trying to outlaw LGBTQ and/or lead to a possible genocide.

And for the ones who say "Well, I'm lgbtq but I'm conservatives". You may think that the conservatives accept you as one of the "Good ones" but no, it's only a matter of time before the conservatives come after you too. If you're trans, the conservatives will only see you as your AGAB and will eventually tell you to/force you to detransition. If you are gay, they will tolerate your existence only if you are in the closet and "don't behave like a gay".

As a little piece of history, one of Hitler's most trusted generals was Ernst Röhm, who was a gay man. Hitler defended him a lot when he was rising to power and there were rumors about his homosexuality. So you know how powerful Rohm was, he was the leader of the Storm Troopers.

But then he came out publically, and was no longer convenient to have him because hitler's fanbase would never accept an homosexual, that and combined that Hitler was trying to get rid of anyone who could challenge his power, made him arrest and then kill Rohm in the Night of the Long Knives.

So, you are entitled to have any ideology you want, but being "One of the good ones" is no way to live our life. Rohm was "one of the good ones" Blair White is also "one of the good ones" and she gets so much hate from the side she tries so hard to defend and justify.

@Izzent Ever heard of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_conservatism ?

I have. Those views and values clash when it comes to US conservatism.
- @Izzent
  
  @Hurts But not European Conservatism. A lot of conservative parties have official lgbtq groups in them and even lgbtq ministers. I know it is hard to understand their existence, even for me. I mean even the far right AfD has a lesbian leader despite their extrem anti-lgbtq views.
  
  And P.S.: Don’t shoot the messenger.

Because of all the closeted Republicans. Why do you think they constantly talk about Gay and Transpeople all the time ? Its what they are thinking about 24-7

That's pretty dumb thing to say
- I always think about Ted Haggard when this comes up.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard

Gay conservatives do exis

Edit: oh hell yah my first controversial comment on lemmy! /s

Of course, being queer isn't mutually exclusive with being incredibly stupid.
- A gentle reminder about rule 1. Be nice.

I'd like to think that it's just an lgbt person who's also conservative (I'm transsexual and on the conservative side myself) but given it's "lgbtq" I kinda have a feeling it's probably a more progressive person who claimed the conservative sub to control it, rather than genuine interest...

"You are coming from an echo chamber (Reddit). You are more than welcome to not participate in this community, which I’m not sure why you’re here in the first place given that you are clearly not a conservative nor do you hold any(?) conservative views." @[email protected]

Seems pretty conservative to me.
- "If you don't have conservative views, go away," "echo chambers are bad," same person...
- I think anyone would be hard-pressed to say Reddit isn't a serious echo chamber with serious moderation issues.
  
  Simply stating that someone that was spam posting and reporting posts on a conservative community may not be conservative and they're welcome to not participate there if the content bothers them that much in no way states my political alignment, which is admittedly somewhere centrist, which I believe puts me in the ideal position to be a moderator of both c/conservative and c/liberal, as I am not inherently incredibly biased towards one side or the other.
  
  You guys really enjoy quoting me, but haven't quoted the most important and relevant thing I said for this post, which is that I am gay.
  
  I have no agenda and have already passed ownership of c/conservative to someone else. The poster in question has been removed as a moderator as well. The only "moderation" I've done on c/conservative is un-removing comments that were removed by the other moderator for disagreeing with his posts, which IMO sounds like pretty good and fair moderation, no?
  
  I have rejected 0 requests from people that have reached out to moderate any of the communities I am involved in, and quite frankly most of them besides 5-6 see 0 traffic.
- I just took a look and.... yeah looks pretty conservative. huh. that's kinda rare to see.
I'd like to ask a question in good faith here, if that's alright.

If you are trans, why are you supporting American conservatives that platform policies against your health and existence?

I'm not asking as a 'gotcha,' because that lacks a compassionate curiosity. But I'm puzzled because these stances and identities seem incompatible and I'd like to understand better why, to you, they are.

You're under no obligation to answer, but I'm trying something new and pumping the brakes before I shut down curiosity to make a judgment. Whether you'll afford me that or not, is up to you.
- Just curious, why are you assuming they are American?
- Well to start, being conservative doesn't mean I necessarily support the american republican party or the various republicans in it. I like some more than others, but I typically don't vote republican.
  
  When it comes to "my health and existence", ironically enough republicans tend to push back against transgender legislation that tramples over transsexual rights and healthcare. See the pushback against the equality act for a good example.
  
  My views on lgbt are kinda complicated, and don't fit neatly within either the democrat or republican party, but they're "conservative" in nature (ie not new, but rather a return to how things were before).
  
  On other issues, I tend to be conservative. For instance I'm pro-life, pro-gun, pro-free speech, etc.
  
  I also consider myself to have far left economic views, akin to stuff like socialist policies (ubi, medicare for all, etc). So in practice I end up feeling more like a far left person with some conservative cultural/social views. There's not really a good label for people in this situation lol. I usually say "far left conservative" but that just confuses people lol.
Why does the “lgbtq” make you think that?
- The "q" in lgbtq often refers to the q slur, and it's a newer acronym largely used by progressives. conservative lgbt people either stick with the classic lgbt, or in recent years have started using lgb as a way of distancing themselves from the transgender movement.
  
  Not saying it's impossible for conservatives to use lgbtq, but it's rare IMO (speaking as someone on the conservative side in the lgbt community).
I find this really interesting, if I may ask (in good faith), what makes you a conservative yet LGBTQ+ person? Are you in the U.S.? If not that may explain why you're conservative in the first place. I'm really curious.
- I don't identify with lgbtq, and view it as antagonistic towards transsexuals. I'm transsexual (medically/biologically) so I fall under lgbt by default lol.
  
  As for conservatism, I've slowly been moving towards conservative views due to various arguments, observations, etc. that I found convincing. For instance I am pro-life, pro-gun, etc.
  
  I am indeed in the US, here in California (a red/conservative part of it though). Having the conservative views I do I end up a bit frustrated, since a lot of the republican party just pushes capitalist/corporate policies, and doesn't really focus on the conservative things I find important.
Interesting point

Are you suggesting that a conservative cannot also be LGBTQ+? I'm not conservative but I am a supporter of the LGBTQ+ community. Nonetheless, it seems prejudice and hypocritical to assume.

With the stuff they've been posting in conservative, yes. Yes I am.
- I can’t see what they’re posting cause I have it blocked but I’ll take your word for it.
speaking as a trans queer person, having seen the rhetoric conservatives use to speak about people like me in both media and politics, having seen how they treat disabled folk (many of my queer friends are disabled), having seen how they treat the poor and unhoused, many of my lgbtq friends being poor and unhoused, having to do sex work that terrifies me bc i can't afford rent on disability rates

yea you can't be conservative in 2023 and support queer rights or advancement. it's literally not possible. you can privately be accepting of queer people in your life. but if you're a conservative, you're grouping up with people who are trying to kill us.

edit: bc i'm dumb and white i didn't include this initially, but conservatives also organizationally support cops lynching Black folk and i'd like to add that, this is another reason i will literally never befriend or fuck or even tolerate a conservative, outside of contexts where my safety is at risk. fuck conservatives. every one of them.
- Fair enough. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and don’t like to think the world is black and white or absolute. Sorry to everyone if I came off as a dick in my initial response; Not my intention.
Are you suggesting that a conservative cannot also be LGBTQ+?

Yes. 100%. What do conservatives stand for other than rage-baiting culture war bullshit? They certainly aren't in favor of fiscal responsibility or combating Russia's influence in the west or upholding the rule of law for everyone. What's left?
- I'm conservative, there's nothing wrong with gay people I don't know why you would assume that all conservatives have something against them. Maybe it's your Limited worldview
There's conservative gays and self hating gays and guess what, they're the same gays. Imagine the mod of gaming was Bobby Kotick, sure, he's gamed, his gaming CV is a lot more interesting than most, but is he really the person you want shaping the discourse around gaming?
conservative lgbt people usually just go with "lgbt" rather than "lgbtq". I've also seen "lgb". yes there's conservative lgbt people but.... you know how things are lol
- Yeah, I suppose you’re right . I just try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and don’t like to think the world is black and white or absolute. Sorry to everyone if I came off as a dick in my initial response; Not my intention.