France passes bill to allow police to remotely activate phone camera and microphone to spy on people
France passes bill to allow police to remotely activate phone camera and microphone to spy on people
A bill that would allow police in France to spy on suspects by remotely activating cameras, microphone including GPS of their phones has been passed.
... wtf is going on over there... What kind of douchebags did you guys elect? I mean, I'm American, I know I can't throw stones here, but y'alls were better than that. You like, wisely stood against our 9/11 invasion and we probably should've listened.
But, wtf?
btw, if anyone was too lazy to dig, this publication is a nigerian newspaper that actually seems legit. Founded in 2020, so pretty new still. Looking at their front page they mostly just do local reporting. Has had run-ins with local power.
The last election was a shitshow.
As usual, the younger generation didn't bother voting, and the older one voted en masse for conservative candidates because they are those our media push for, while at the same time slandering progressive ones.
In the election runoff, we had the choice between an openly fascist candidate from a party literally founded by former Nazis, and a "light fascist" one that people were seeing as the lesser evil. Though it's pretty obvious now that his fascism isn't so light (he openly admires Petain, a french leader who collaborated with Nazi Germany), and I hope people will remember that for the next election and understand that voting for a democratic candidate in the first turn if very important.
You know that America just... does this, right? No bill, no law... In fact it was the first to do this at all. It's why in crime shows they remove the battery (from phone where you still can, of course.)
No, the "Patriot" Act did authorize stuff like this in the US. There was also the "Freedom" Act, and generally this is all FISA stuff that has very low standards for what's allowed.
The movie citizen four did an excellent job detailing different ways a government (in this case the united states) can do this.
I mean, I’m American, I know I can’t throw stones here
Right? I'm wary of chastising any first world country at the moment. The past 7 years in particular have been especially WTF
Wouldn't this breach multiple EU privacy laws?
This is what I'm wondering.
I don't think it does, as the GDPR does not protect 'criminals' or against the police using your data.
They just need to add the word 'terrorist' somewhere (and then a bunch of ambiguous other groups and loose definitions) and it's enough to get people to look the other way. Because the spooky boogie mans will come and get you! And after all if you aren't a terrorist you shouldn't have anything to hide right? Only evil brown terrorists would use secure channels of communication and encryption, normal law abiding citizens wouldn't dare, or have a reason to.
There are exceptions for law enforcement/intelligence in GDPR. Those are particularly broad in the UK data protection act for example.
How to make your country burn faster 101
It’s almost like Macron wants to be decapitated.
1984 - George Orwell tried to warn us.
This is bad, but that's such an overused comparison. It can even be counterproductive because the Oceania from the books is so obviously different from the real world.
I’m talking about the wall in their rooms though that they can use to listen in when they want, you have no private conversations.
The same book which has been funded to be spread as far as possible, all over the world by the CIA.
Classic. What a warning.
The article does not mention, how will this be achieved technology wise? I don't know of any universal way that a government might activate these features on a person's phone. Unless network operators/phone manufacturers start installing backdoors. This does not bode well.
Cell carriers can already push apps to your device.
I'm wondering the same. Hopefully privacy oriented projects such as GrapheneOS can counter whatever technology they will try to implement.
Ohhh my sweet summer child. Who is it that is making those phones?
Let me tell you, it's Google.
The US has exported it's police brutality and police state to France. They even have the similar right wing news apperatice to convince the populace it's all good. Making Uncle Sam proud 🇺🇸🇫🇷🍟🥖
Not every bad thing people do is the fault of the US.
The French can be proper assholes. Look up the history of Haiti and which European colonies purchased the most African slaves.
Then ask. Where did all they go?
Recently the French police seem to be worse.
I am Indian. Even our douche bag of politicians will think twice before passing such legislation. Of course they will spy illegally on us but they won't pass such obvious fascist legislation.
Do they like, want the protests to continue on our something? They can't be that stupid.
The protests are for police brutality against Minorities. Apparently the shot 17 years old kid was repeatedly hit with back of the gun which made him moves his leg away from the breaks and since it's an automatic the car started moving forward...the rest is history.
...hold my sancerre!
-- Emmanuel Macron, probably
The Patriot Act took care of that for us in the US!
A Google search for "France phone camera" only gives this posted link and dailymail.co.uk article, both of which are not really trustworthy sources, IMO.
So I'm gonna go with "this is very possibly fake news".
It's very real, here are two legit sources in french:
You can use the service of your choice to translate them if you don't understand french.
At least it's happening out in the open? Other states do this without parlimentary or congressional approval.
Interestingly enough I went to a lecture by a Chinese lawmaker yesterday who said the exact same thing. When it's codified in law, you know what they can and can't do, and what they can and can't use in court against you. When governments just do it covertly and subvert due process, your right to privacy suffers a lot more. She didn't have to point out what Snowden uncovered about the NSA for everyone to know what she was referring to.
A little confused. Regardless of whats legal we know what they 'can' do, just not whether its legal or not. What we lose by legalising it is precisely that it can be used in court as legitimate evidence.
Currently in the US everyone knows they have far less privacy from the government, or from corporations for that matter, but ill gotten info cant easily be uses in court.
IMO the really scary thing is that now the government is just buying info from data brokers where the users technically consented in some app's TOS then using that. Its legally cleaner, and honestly probably better than info they could've gotten from from shadier methods.
LIberté,Egalité,Fraternité.Is this a legitimate source of news?
It’s based on a syndicated news release from Agence France Presse. Here’s a direct transcription of the article from AFP: https://www.barrons.com/news/france-set-to-allow-police-to-spy-through-phones-b21f1f21
France always was a weird country
I see this going very poorly very quickly. I don't know how much longer we're going to have a France after this, but I'm interested in seeing how this unfolds.
that'd be the point I'd forgo smartphones entirely
French police about to see a whole lotta dick pics.
Fancy French purses are about to take a new direction! Styles range from Étouffé (muffled) to Le Faraday (electromagnetic shielding).
Ugh.
I guess NATO stopped pretending they care about free speech and democracy?