Sanders says Trump reelection would be the ‘end of democracy’
Sanders says Trump reelection would be the ‘end of democracy’
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said the reelection of former President Trump would be the “end of democracy” in an interview released Saturday by The Guardian. “It will be the end of democracy, …
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said the reelection of former President Trump would be the “end of democracy” in an interview released Saturday by The Guardian.
“It will be the end of democracy, functional democracy,” Sanders said in the interview.
The Vermont senator also said in the interview that he thinks that another round of Trump as the president will be a lot more extreme than the first.
“He’s made that clear,” Sanders said. “There’s a lot of personal bitterness, he’s a bitter man, having gone through four indictments, humiliated, he’s going to take it out on his enemies. We’ve got to explain to the American people what that means to them — what the collapse of American democracy will mean to all of us.”
Sanders’s words echo those President Biden made in a recent campaign speech during which he said that Trump’s return to the presidency would risk American democracy. The president highlighted the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol in an attempt to cement a point about Trump and other Republicans espousing a kind of extremism that was seen by the world on that day.
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Are you asking me how I know that leftists who want Donald Trump to win are fake leftists?
Oh they’re leftists. And they’re hell bent on bringing democracy down just like Trump is- but for them, it’s because they’re throwing temper tantrums over a single issue.
So in a way/ they’re worse. Because they are doing it on purpose.
Call us fake leftists if you like but if you need our votes what you label us is irrelevant. We aren't voting for Joe Biden again. Stop voting for procorporate trash in the primaries.
i'm asking what makes you think leftists who won't vote for genocide want donald trump to win.
Which candidate are they planning to vote for that has a chance of winning?
personally I'm planning to vote for cornel west but Jill Stein can still win me back
Got it. So you want Trump to win.
no, I'll be voting against Trump
If you were voting against Trump, you would be voting for the only person who has a chance to beat Trump. Otherwise you are voting for Trump. That's how elections work.
cornel west is running against Trump
Do you think Cornel West has a chance of winning?
yes. it may be slim but the chance exists.
The chance isn't just slim. It's astronomical.
The chance of Cornell West winning is probably smaller than a bit-flip happening, switching your vote to another candidate. That's how little chance your vote would have to make the country a better place.
On the other hand, every vote not casted for the only viable non-Trump candidate helps Trump.
I'm European and would love for you to have the option to vote for proper social democrats or greens (especially greens!). But please, every US citizen needs to do their part to not get fascists get hold of your country.
It's sad to say, but if you don't vote for the democratic candidate, you might not have a chance to vote 3rd party in 4 years. (I don't like fear mongering, but it's a real enough possibility)
a vote for cornel west is not counted as a vote for trump.
you are spreading election misinformation.
Do you think Cornel West has a chance of winning?
yes. it may be slim but he has a chance.
No but it counts a vote away from another contender without hurting trump. This is the effect of FPTP voting. Essentially, if you have a vote, and you cast your vote for someone who cannot win, your vote is less useful than someone not voting at all. Voting against one candidate only hurts that candidate if the vote you cast won the election. Otherwise it was part of a split vote that helped them win.
> Essentially, if you have a vote, and you cast your vote for someone who cannot win, your vote is less useful than someone not voting at all.
impossible. why are you trying to suppress voter turnout?
the only other candidate i might want to win is jill stein, but i like cornel west ever-so-slightly more. is jill stein splitting the cornel west vote? no. there are people who she will persuade, there are people who he will persuade, and all those people are people who aren't persuaded by the genocidal politicians we've already let try to run the country.
Every vote splits a vote for every other candidate. That's how first past the post - winner takes all elections work. I would wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment if our voting system didn't encourage our ugly two party system. I don't particularly like Joe Biden as a candidate for the next 4 years either. But I understand that the system doesn't work for me, meaning I have to work within the system. If I want my vote to produce any meaningful change, I have to make sure my vote goes to the candidate that I believe has the best chance of winning while providing the least amount of harm to the country and the highest chance of productive change of that system. That happens to be Biden this year which sucks. But it's not as dangerous as allowing Trump to win who has clarified twice now that he intends on authoritarian action and being a dictator day one.
It's not obvious?
right
Surely you mean "far right".
no, i meant it's not obvious.
Opposition to genocide is an indicator that someone wants Trump to win?
If you're not skeptical of single issue leftists, then you should be more skeptical in general.
We know that there was a LOT of foreign astroturfing in 2016. And 2020. 2024 will likely repeat this trend, but armed with AI.
We've already seen one weak "it was AI and fake" argument from Roger Stone. Going to see a lot more of that this year, too.
So he careful who you trust, because they just might have an agenda.
If you're not skeptical of single issue leftists, then you should be more skeptical in general.
That's certainly a convenient way to dismiss people who don't think Democrats should be supporting genocide.
It's been great watching centrist Democrats cave and capitulate endlessly over the course of decades, only to find out that the single issue they will actually hold firm on is supporting the genocide they've always wanted.
Oh, I'm firmly against genocide. I'm also against the death penalty. I lean a lot more socialist and am what most on the right would consider an "extreme leftist" (even though my views are pretty much center left when you consider global politics).
I think that relations with Israel are very complex, and Biden is fucking them up. I don't support what his administration is doing in thar regard.
But I also lived through the last Trump presidency, and I know what is at stake. Most of the astroturfing we've seen aimed at the left for the last decade, at least, has been an attempt to suppress the Democratic vote by latching onto a single issue to point to and say, "see! The Democrats are just as bad!"
When people don't show up for the presidential, down ballot votes suffer, too.
And in the end, will you want to vote for the guy who supports Israel and wants to destroy democracy, or the guy who supports Israel and wants to retain democracy? Because those are the likely choices.
So keep the pressure on. Call your representatives and let them know of your disapproval. But please stop with this, "the Democrats are evil because of this one thing," bullshit. Politics are complicated, and you should be able to recognize and weigh more than one issue at a time.
But please stop with this, “the Democrats are evil because of this one thing,” bullshit.
If centrist Democrats don't want me judging them based on their support for genocide, they just have to stop supporting genocide.
I'm voting for Biden. This is now the fifth time in this thread I've had to make that explicit because someone assumed otherwise based exclusively on my assertion that he should stop supporting genocide.
The people who are the ones who complain with:
Stop talking about “BOTH SIDES” like they are equally evil
seem to be die hard Democrats. I do agree with them that there is definitely is an issue where the "non-Republican" vote is split into many sections. This leads to the issue where the Democrats are mad at other non-Republicans for "splitting the vote" and causing their party a tough time.
Lately, all Democrats do is cry about Trump while offering no solutions to the circumstances that put him in such a place in the first place. As if electing Biden stops Republicans from being Republicans? Medicare and Medicaid are being cut severely. Biden has been the president where scalping is finally lower and all he does is spend extra on killing.
As you have noticed, negotiation about genocide isn't even an option with them. We have to elect their official or we get, wait for it, genocide and fascism? 😱
To Biden fans: If getting rid of Trump is your truly your biggest worry than vote for a progressive president with us!
tldr: The Republicans have become so unbelievable that the insanity and inability of Democrats to do anything is normal to many people.