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As a Veteran who has PTSD and does not do well on 4th of July. I fought for people's freedom. Let them enjoy their fireworks and I'll stay on my farm fat away taking care of my turkeys who also hate fireworks.
Not everyone can do that. A form of entrainment doesn't override the right for someone now to experience ptsd episodes in their own home.
There is being considerate of other's life experiences and then there is being unreasonable. There's so many things that can trigger PTSD in people, are you suggesting we stop doing anything that may trigger someone's trauma? Some people get triggers from benign things (my mother used to suffer traumatic flashbacks from certain smells such as wet mud, I get panic attacks if someone comes up behind me and touches me, I've met someone who gets triggered by cars backfiring or balloons popping). The point is that fireworks, mud, people touching you, and backfiring cars are a part of normal life. There are a TONNE of possible triggers, we couldn't possibly avoid every one of them for every sufferer out there. It isn't up to the rest of the world to change their lives to revolve around us and our issues. It's our own responsibility to try to cope and deal with our problems as best we can. It sucks. I say this as someone who suffers from severe PTSD/agoraphobia among a number of other mental health issues that I have been working on for many years. It's really unfair that this has happened to us but it's also not fair to expect everyone else in the neighbourhood to stop having fun because we are sadly conditioned to have a traumatic response to something.
People associate trauma with other things they were experiencing at the time. To remove all triggers is to remove all experiences. Of course we can be considerate, but there is a limit.
So you're basically saying "Yes, it's a problem, but it doesn't affect me personally so let it be"?
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I make sure I’m not around for anything I am personally unusually sensitive to. Can’t expect society not to do any thing which anyone anywhere might not like.
How do you propose someone makes sure they aren't around any people who might be setting off fireworks? Are all veterans automatically wealthy enough to be able to stay in the middle of nowhere for two weeks??
I don't think that's the expectation but is the burden on everyone else in this case? Like all possible PTSD triggers should be off limits to everyone because a veteran with PTSD could be near?
I’ve got an idea, how about we do like Covid lockdowns but like permanently and no one’s allowed to do anything. That’ll solve it.
No actually, he's directly admitting he is personally affected by it, do you read English?
He's saying that his PTSD isn't everyone else's responsibility, and that they should be able to do what they want without having to be concerned if it's going to bother someone who has unique circumstances.
As opposed to all the nanny state bullshit in this thread.
Ban fireworks in cities and places where it's too dry to light them, otherwise who gives a shit.
Sure but fireworks are banned in many cities and people use them anyways. That's part of the problem
Wow is this guy missing the point. Most of us who have PTSD are very happy that people have the freedom to do their foreworks
Most of us
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I'm glad it's not an issue for you out there and think it's mighty chill of you to put others before yourself in this regard. Cheers and raised glasses all around, genuinely. But it's also not really okay for you to speak for "most of" everyone who has PTSD and doesn't have a far-off farm to escape to. I've seen some people very close to me get incredibly messed up during impromptu neighborhood fireworks shows.
I feel like fireworks aren't covered by the 2nd amendment. I have spoken to plenty of veterans who were miserable when fireworks go off. They didn't go through hell to relive it. You act tough but it's not healthy.
did someone say thy are?
I have the right to drive up to your house, park on the side of the street, and blast "Baby Got Back" on a loop at 250 dB until the wee hours of the morning, but I don't do that. Because I'm not an asshole. And I'm already over-budget this year for public performance rights to songs about the buttocks. But mostly the former.
Someone else said it in another comment: Be a good neighbor - that's all we're asking.
You don't have the right to do that because almost everywhere has some kind of noise bylaw. Also, 194 dB is the maximum possible sound energy through air.
Lots of localities have laws about noise. In this case it is irrelevant because it would probably fall under harassment laws in most places.
You absolutely don't have that right in any location where noise ordnance is on the books, which is most places.
Who had their freedom threatened?
Iraqis. Look up Saddam. Then look up AQ. There's a reason the local militias ended up working with us instead of against us.
Look up how many Iraqis were fucking killed by America and tell me how those hundreds of thousands of corpses are so fucking free now.
hurr durr i fight for iraqi freedom to be subjected to neoliberal economic imperialism
Wow, reading more about this... Turns out AQ wasn't in Iraq until the US got there! Guess those must have been some clairvoyant Iraqis who felt threatened from the future?
I never said they were there before. Saddam was there though. That honestly should have been reason enough. Getting Saddam out and then abandoning them to AQ and/or Iran would have just been idiotic. If you want to rant about america bad then go talk shit about Bush lying to start the war.
I dunno man, kinda think "idiotic" sums it up pretty well
I never really thought about farm animals and fireworks. How about chickens/horses/etc?
I heard about horses dying from the stress caused by fireworks. It can also be hurtful to wildlife.
It plays hell on the Turkey farms. When turkeys get scared they run regardless of what's on the way. So a big blast can cause a barn of 9k birds to all run in the opposite wall and kill eachother