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Look here Europe. I don't know how well y'all understand the states, but it's unfathomably large. People in the big cities can definitely organize and revolt. But, against who?
The power is concentrated in Washington DC. It's in an extremely inconvenient location to get to, and I'm starting to understand why.
The last person who was able to amass a large enough following to organize people and march all the damn way to Washington DC was assassinated by the FBI - more specifically J. Edgar Hoover, one of the OG Incel MAGATs. The last president that was able to advocate for the same rights was assassinated by the same group.
Malcom X could see that the only way the US government would change was through speaking the language it knew, but he, too, was taken out by the FBI.
The billionaires in power speak the same language. They wear children as meat shields. They spark violent rhetoric. They won't hesitate to take out a figurehead before he becomes too powerful like King, JFK, and Malcom X.
Meanwhile, trump's army of inbred rednecks, drunk karens and incels managed to storm the capital, and get away with it, while being livestreamed TO THE WORLD. The more i see messages like this the more i feel disappointed with americans. Too fat and diabetic to break into a sweat I see.
Trump started claiming the election was fraudulent on November 4th. He spent a month and a half riling up his base, telling them the election was stolen. Eventually on December 19th he set a date for his rally on Jan 6th, setting a firm date and giving his supporters 18 days to prepare.
The US is big, and getting to DC is expensive and difficult, and it takes a long lead time to make something like that happen. It's now just one month since Trump took power, and although his chaos started immediately, it took weeks for it to build up to something that people might be willing to travel to DC to protest.
These things take time.
Trump will tell them to open fire immediately in a Jan 6 like scenario.
It's faster to just write "I'm too scared."
It's okay, we're disappointed in you all as well. I mean, jeez, how many dictators have you all had? History tells us a great deal about you lot.
Please learn from our history. And if not, don’t try to be USA and want to do it greater than any one else.
Yeah but it’s impossible.
Concur - I don’t think a lot of people outside of the US and Canada truly grasp how large the landmass is. It would take me 3 days to drive to DC and over a week by train. I’m sure as shit not getting on an airplane right now… and even if I did, they’re not letting me bring any guns.
Excuses, excuses...
It's like asking why you guys don't just kill putin
Because Europe is not Russia?
The distance from the UK is significantly smaller than from me to Washington DC.
Sure, but do you know what border checks are?
Because russians dont spend most of their time bragging how they are the only free country in the world since some toilet paper with bullshit written on it says citizens must use guns to protect against tyranny.
Youre gonna fucking love the gestapo raids with the new head of fbi btw.
Because weapons are not sold on every corner in Russia.
Russia has higher murder rate than any European country and higher than US. And with how corrupt the military is all, anyone with the equivalent of 100usd can bribe a logistics officer to lose an AK in the paperwork.
You dont need guns to murder people.
Also Russia has plenty of windows.
Those are marked as suicides.
You aren't going to hit anything with an ak47.
Getting into Russia is difficult, getting out again is next to impossible. Besides anyone in Russia who doesn't speak russian would be immediately arrested long before they got to Moscow. It's a dumb comparison. If the country I live in fell to fascism I absolutely would take the fight to them.
The fact is that you people allowed this to happen and you're allowing it to continue. Europe would not give a single solitary fuck if it weren't for the fact that the USA has been ingraining themselves into all parts of international politics for decades, and your recent fuck up is causing problems for everyone.
How many dictators are closer to you than Trump is to most of us?
What a stupid fucking argument this is. The person you're responding to us 100% correct. Educate yourself.
If the government is this centralized that makes it easy to revolt. Just topple the state government and make your own rules. Then the "power" has to first get into their cars and drive all the way to you.
Revolutions moetly dont start in the populated areas where the government has many of it goons. They start in the thinly populated areas, where it is easy to seize local control.
Guess who those thinly populated areas voted for...
Also, "just topple the state governments" as if most US states aren't larger + more dispersed than many European countries. And state (and sometimes local) police have access to second hand military equipment.
Then even putting that aside, the US interstate system was quite literally designed to expedite military logistics. The Federal government could have tanks rolling down the streets of any major city in single-digit hours.
However, the size of the country is a double edged sword. Locking down areas outside of populated cities would take a lot of sustained resources. Combine that with the sheer volume of firearms in the hands of private citizens and you have a recipe for festering unrest. Actual violent resistance in the US would be a different beast from what you see in other countries.
Yeah. i should clarify "easy to revolt" is only in relative terms. Any uprising against a regime that doesn't crumble right away is a bloody and difficult endeavor. That is why usually people only get to that point, when their basic livelihood is in immediate danger.
Still i think that the US has the unique situation of having relatively well armed civilians. So where in other countries you have unarmed mass protests that get shot down by the regime, followed by improvised weapons until the people manage to arm themselves from seized government stocks... In the US you have a mayor head start. Finally when it comes to the regime cracking down on people, the risk-reward calculation of police and soldiers can quickly change from shooting at the crowd to joining the crowd, if the crowd is armed.
In the end after each regime falls, the lessons is "if we had banded together earlier and fought them right away, a lot of bloodshed and destruction could have been prevented."
Still i think that the US has the unique situation of having relatively well armed civilians
This is a double-edged sword. In other countries the government is really reluctant to have the military shoot protesters, because the protesters are civilians and, pretty much by definition, unarmed. If the police or military do shoot protesters, the undecided public is very likely to turn against the government for slaughtering innocent, unarmed civilians.
In the US, police are terrified of civilians, and are more than willing to shoot them. Civilians are fairly likely to be armed, so if the government claims that the civilians shot first, a lot of people will believe them.
I live in California... Why the fuck would we topple one of the few good governments in the US?
Is this thread full of people pushing propaganda? These are such stupid suggestions...
ITT: A lot of Europeans who have functioning mass transit systems and countries smaller than a lot of our states.
Yess, this is the way, try to get your state creating an ultimatum and if conditions are not met, leave the unity of states and get independent.
Hoover is an incel now? What
I am too high for this
To him being an incel, he never married or dated publicly. Complained about women and considered them lesser. Used the sexual acts of others to blackmail others while living with another man that was his co-director of the FBI. His mother called him weak and lived with Hoover her whole life. Argued women were sluts and anyone that made comment on his sexuality was usually attacked viciously.
Also
He thought it was cute that people were naming their homeless encampments after him.He thought the FBI was wasted on mafia and killers and should focus on communists and blacks as the country should be a white Christian nationalist state.
He, apparently was so good at stealing and wiretapping that he had blackmail on pretty much everyone down to Nixon.
Dude was fucked up
That's no reason not to try. Try while you can. Get organised. Use existing groups and band together, safety in numbers. How about the occupy wall St people? Trade unions? I think people are kind of in disbelief about what's going on, but this is happening fast and it seems like there's so little response.
The worker should just all stop working at the same time and demand politicians to work for workers and not for billionaires to start working again..
This is the real solution.
Dr. King even stated as much.
If everyone said "enough, we've endured enough" and stopped letting the grinder do its thing, change would occur.
I can guarantee that it would be met with violence too, it has been met with violence. The only thing worse than union labor, is no labor.
Mario Savio, another activist in the 60s, revealed to have been illegally spied on by the FBI in 1999 ended one of his speeches with this: "There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part! You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels ... upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!"
noo but then they might lose out on a bit of money now instead of live in a nazi state and fear for their life for years!
Guess the "land of the free" isn't so free after all.