It sure does
It sure does
ID: 3 panel comic:
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A surprised looking person pops in to existence on a floating rock surrounded by fire, next to the devil.
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The person asks "wait a second-- why'd I end up in hell??"
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The devil, now taking up the entire frame, replies: "because centrism enables fascism"
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I have to say, growing up very left wing, I find myself taking a left leaning but centrist attitude to a fair few topics as I age.
Honestly, a big part of it is the lack of planning and delusional thought tank of the left. The right is far worse and I certainly don't agree with them, but I disagree with the OP and a lot of the general sentiment in the comments.
The world isn't black and white, you cannot be sensibly left or right for every political topic. You need to assess what's best for everyone. Politics has become like UK football hooliganism, you're either with or against and anyone on the other side apparently needs their heads kicked in.
Accepting that getting more conservative as you age is normal is just an admission that you're fine with being the next generation's "boomer" equivalent.
Life isn't black and white, but some things in life can be. E.g. when someone gets on TV to talk about the risks of climate change and the station puts them next to another talking head who shares their own alternative facts disputing it, there's no "middle ground" that is somehow more correct. There's a factually correct take and there's politicized bullshit.
Disagree with your first sentence entirely.
I didn't admit it's normal, I said it has happened to me. You're proving my point entirely with these generalised sweeping statements, telling me who I am and what I'm fine with.
I agree somewhat with your second paragraph but I don't really know what the point is. I'm not talking about bullshit on TV, I'm talking about real issues affecting populations, are not black and white.
Fuck off somewhere and reassess yourself.
Could you please give an example of a policy that you’re centrist on?
Random off the top of my head thought I had a disagreement with someone the other day.
Climate protestors, like the ones blocking roads etc.
I fully support their right to do it. I agree with their message but dislike how they conduct themselves. I fully support the right of the people in the car to lose their shit and pull them off the road. I also think the cops have a right to arrest someone blocking traffic and refusing to move as well as the person who assaulted the protestor.
I do not believe the police should have powers to arrest for planning a protest. Premeditated protesting being a crime is a fucking joke.
So there's a snapshot of my mind. Complicated issue and I see it from most people's side. Actions have consequences.
You need to assess what’s best for everyone.
Here's a news flash: both republicans AND democrats want what's best for capitalists and capitalism.
Capitalism by default, requires the large scale oppression of people to function, and will always, again by default, decay in to fascism.
Pretending as if there is some sort of middle ground between them (the right), and leftists, who oppose both capitalism and the state that upholds it, demonstrates at best a complete misunderstanding of the concepts at hand, or at worst, an unflinching support of capitalism and all its ills, and with it the support for all of the oppression it creates to exist.
You're talking to a bunch of Americans. Their democrats are centre-right and their republicans are further right, so a centrist over there is just right-wing.
I also consider myself mostly left leaning, but I'm a bit centrist on a few issues.Eg; I 100% support gay marriage and voted yes in my country's referendum, but I don't think all religious people should be forced to do gay weddings.
I recognise that's a slippery slope which could lead to exclusion, but forcing somebody who despises you to do your wedding doesn't seem like a good idea for anyone involved.Well I don't think I should have to pander my language to one country, I'm not American and am not speaking in relation to their politics specifically.
But the rest, 100% agree
You sound more right wing than American Democrats hun.
Please explain to me how voting to support gay marriage, while not forcing people to go against their religious beliefs is right wing?
I’m of the opinion that the government shouldn’t be allowed to force people to do anything, and they shouldn’t be able to deny people from doing anything that doesn’t harm or impact anyone else.I totally support trans rights, because the government shouldn’t be able to decide what you do with your own body.
I support abortion for any reason, because you shouldn’t be forced to raise a child if you aren’t 100% prepared to.
I think all teenagers should have access to puberty blockers if they desire, because it’s not the government’s business. If they’re concerned about teenagers not being mature enough to decide to transition, you should at least set them up with the tools necessary to make that decision further down the line.
All doctors should be forced to provide the appropriate medical attention for trans people, regardless of their beliefs, because healthcare is 100% necessary for everyone and should have no biases or politics.
But marriage ceremonies don’t need to be performed by devout catholics/christians/whatever.
There can be marriage ceremonies held by atheists, agnostics, or people of any religion. So there’s no need to force overly religious people who disagree with it into performing the ceremonies.
You’re forcing them to give up their beliefs (however stupid they may be) when it isn’t necessary.Supporting trans rights, while still also supporting a government that oppresses trans people, is enabling that oppression.
Oh fuck off
No shit.
If I was American, there’s no way I’d be voting for anything right of the democrats because the democrats are already centre-right in many areas.
What part of this do you think American Democrats disagree with?
No idea, I never said the democrats disagreed with any of that.
I was asking why you think I sound more right wing than democrats.If you want me to come up with things that make the democrats look right-wing, look at healthcare and education.
What? The fact that most Democrats want healthcare for all and free education for all is right wing?
Is that really what they want though? I mean, they might say they do, but they just had a full four years in office and medication still costs ~10x more than it does where I live.
If you broke your arm, how much would the hospital bill set you back?
In my country, it costs $0. The leading centre-left and centre-right parties both support this, despite being political opponents.
Yet your supposed leftist party doesn't appear to have done much more than talk about it.
Democrats are certainly very left wing in comparison to republicans, but not on a global political scale.
This seems more like complete ignorance on your part about how governance in the US works. Just because you have the presidency and maybe a bare minimum majority in one of the branches of government doesn’t give you carte blanche to do whatever you want. On the other hand, Republicans now have majority in all bodies of Congress, the executive branch, and the judicial branch so they have more power now than Democrats ever did in the last decade or two to enact their agenda.
Get educated or don’t voice stupid opinions about governments you are not a constituent of and know nothing about. I don’t have time to educate you.