Is there an historical reason why female formal dresses have a huge variety of styles compared to male ones where the only acceptable style is jacket with pants?
Is there an historical reason why female formal dresses have a huge variety of styles compared to male ones where the only acceptable style is jacket with pants?
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Because despite what social media would have you believe, women have not actually been horribly oppressed everywhere for all of history, and have actually enjoyed a place of reverence in western culture for a very long time. Men have been willing to sacrifice everything, even their own lives, to ensure the women they loved had whatever could be provided.
Frankly I'm strongly suspicious that many of these narratives are being pushed by cultures where women are ACTUAL slaves, to try and hide the evidence that it's even possible to live any other way. "Just look at the disaster which befalls any society where women are given freedom."
being treated as an object of reverence to be kept and provided for rather than a person of equal contributions to be given the same status as everyone else, is itself a form of oppression. Consider that "revered and provided for" is also the status of a cat, and while we certainly love those, they arent exactly treated as anything like our equals.
People constantly claim that women have been horribly objectified, while ignoring how men have always been treated by society, where they have no value what so ever other than as a wage slave.
Both those things can be true. One is caused by sexism, the other by classism. Neither negates the other, and implying so is incredibly dismissive.
This very post itself is about how men have had literally no choices at all for formal wear, which certainly wasn't a poor man's arena.
The “limited fashion choices for a man to wear” was enforced by men, not women. It’s not the slam dunk argument you seem to think it is. (Especially considering during the same era women couldn’t own property or vote.) Men have had privilege for nearly all of recorded history.
I know you’re just doubling down on your argument here, which is a normal human thing. You should really read up on the topic and see what experts say about sexism. There are lots of good citations in the Wikipedia article here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexism
Men have a ton of choices for formal wear, my dude...
The poor have always been treated poorly. But if you look at the people that actually have most of the influence in society, they've generally been mostly men. Not exclusively, and less now than before, but you can hardly argue the distribution of power has been anything close to 50 50. Talking about this isn't ignoring that poor men (and poor women for that matter) are and have been exploited for their labor- because that is simply a different conversation than the one on gender status. There can be more than one issue in play in society at a time, and it is not ignoring or denying the rest to talk about one of them without bringing up every single other one while doing it
Men have always had the freedom to choose what they want to be - for women it's the fucking bird cage or nothing... now the bird cage is gilded and pretty, but it's still a fucking bird cage.
Men have always had the freedom to choose what they want to be
You don't understand anything about our history at all, do you? English surnames (Thatcher, Smith, Fletcher, etc...) are what they are because people literally had no other choice but to work the same profession for many generations.
Most women could not open their own bank accounts or have credit cards until the 1970's. That's just about within the lifetimes of nearly half the people here.
nice opinion bro did you make it yourself
lmfao
Wow look at Mr. Big Brain here with literally no ability to understand human history.
We’re not living in a fucking shonen manga here you dumbass.
Just because your culture may have a shit history for how they treated women doesn't mean every other culture was the same.