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Snap should be reason enough that everyone should abandon Ubuntu, especially when Mint is right there. The last thing we need is to make Linux more like Android+Google Play.
Putting Mint on an old iMac soon actually. Been a while since I got to use Linux.
Regular Mint (not LMDE) adds to the Ubuntu market share. Also remixing a 3rd party distribution by adding custom repositories on top can cause incompatibilities. That is the reason why regular Mint uses only Ubuntu LTS as base.
I politely disagree. Try to look at Snaps this way: Canonical maintains 16.04, 18.04, 20.04, 22.04 and 24.04. Each with their own repos. Each has to be properly maintained. With snap they can release the package a single time, and it can be used across all of their releases. I think this is the main point of snap. Being able to use it across other systemd distros is just a bonus.
There is no way to install snaps from any source other than Canonical and the snap server software is closed-source.
You can download a
.snappackage and install it. If you add the author's signing key as trusted in your own snapd, you can even do it alongside their own assertion file.
Or just use flatpak or Appimage.
Yeah, exactly. I was about to say flatpak exists and isn't proprietary.
Also, the snap for docker/compose is hot garbage.
Yes, they maintain a lot of LTS releases and want to minimize work. Which is their own problem entirely. So I'm going to go back to Debian next time I reinstall or build.
So offering 10 years of support for a release is a bad thing now. Got it.
No. But I'm not willing to trade convenience for vendor lock-in. Not that this matters in containerland anyway.
Why do they need to disrespect their users rights to that though?
How does Canonical disrespect your rights?
They snap store is proprietary
So are the drivers your computer likely relies on. Are you willing to buy a thinkpad from 2005 and use a random FSF approved distro?
Silly whataboutism. When there are multiple Linux package management solutions to choose from that are functional, decentralized, and fully FOSS, including ones that work across distros, switching to the proprietary Canonical-controlled Snap Store is moving backward for no good reason.
I don't see how this matters.
Let's look at the very worst case possible scenario: Everyone abandons Flatpak and AppImage and moves to Snapcraft, and Canonical decides to make a decision that destroys the store.
You can still install FOSS apps from somewhere, at worst compile them.
All that would be lost if Snapcradt stopped existing are the proprietary apps, which you wouldn't use anyways.
That's not the worst possible scenario, I'd love to see the Snap Store completely replaced with decentralized FOSS alternatives. Any scenario in which the Snap Store takes market share from decentralized FOSS alternatives is considerably worse.
Also, who said I wouldn't use proprietary apps? I refuse to use Snap because Flatpak and other FOSS application packaging solutions that aren't locked to a store controlled by a single for-profit company already serve my needs. I don't have any objection to using proprietary apps that don't have alternatives that meet my needs.
Yes. Honestly just bought a chip so I can mess around with librebooting my laptop.
Its about harm reduction my man. Meth is bad on the heart but so is excessive grease. I'm going to just never use meth and cut down my excessive fat consumption where I can.
Ubuntu benefited from an open community for years, and when it came time to create a solution for a problem, they chose to develop something and not share it with community that helped them get where they are now. That's a straight up asshole move.
I dare say that allowing any distro to use their repos is pretty generous, and gives back to the community. They have no obligation to open source Snapcraft's server, and snapd being able to install snaps locally is more than enough.
https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/download-snaps-and-install-offline/15713
What an embarassingly obsequious viewpoint.
Some time ago, I tried Ubuntu for the first time. I was shocked that the preinstalled Firefox (snap package) took 10 seconds to launch, compared to 1-2 seconds on Windows.