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Endgame was a 3 hour fan service and wasn't all that good and I'll die on that hill.
No, you're right. Infinity war is the better movie but endgame was the better event. Endgame is almost a perfect fanservice movie and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Infinity war is not that good either. Everything is preventable but the heroes forgot how to heroe and make very bad decisions
Everything is preventable but the heroes forgot how to heroe and make very bad decisions
Welcome to every single movie that's ever been produced. Most things in movies could be prevented if the heroes just made reasonable decisions. But then you wouldn't have a movie, so heroes have to be stupid at just the right moment to make the movie work.
Nahh, that's just cheap Hollywood shit that's written so poorly.
It's hard to tell living in the US, because our media is dominated by Hollywood. You only get to see the one or two gems that get shat out randomly once a decade sitting amongst a giant field of dumbed down Disney fairy tales. That's if the gems were even advertised all that well in the first place. So much ADD advertising that spoils the climax of the movie 'and' gives you the wrong idea of the plot, it's impossible to tell what's actually good without watching it.
Care to name a few examples?
Hmm, it's been a long time since I've seen a movie in theaters, let alone a hidden gem or grossly misadvertised one. I try to avoid ads like the plague.
The only recentish thing that comes to mind is Barbarian, but I don't think I even saw an ad for it. Not one I paid attention to. Just went randomly, it was not as expected, and we had fun not taking it too seriously anyways, which seems appropriate for that movie.
Others elsewhere in the convo are making some banger recommends, though.
Go watch Die Hard, The Day Of The Jackal, Rope, Seven Samurai, The Martian. It is possible to write a movie that isn't moved forward by passing around the idiot ball. Characters can take reasonable actions, and still have stuff go wrong and have to take new reasonable actions to adjust.
Go watch Die Hard
If the hero just minded his own business and did nothing, no one dies and his wife is never in danger but millions of dollars worth of bonds are stolen. It's a fair trade off, and might have even saved their marriage.
The Day Of The Jackal
Based on a book with no actual heroes. Just a cold-blooded assassination attempt. This isn't the type of movie I'm referring to, though I should have said "almost every single movie..." or "hero movies".
Rope
Uh...yeah...
In the play, two homosexual college students become fascinated by their philosophy professor’s ideas about the “innate superiority” of some people over others. Convinced they have found a victim who is inferior to them, they murder him, conceal his body in an unlocked trunk in their apartment, and then throw a dinner party with the trunk as the brazen centerpiece of the living room.
That's just a whole lot of fucked up. No heroes there, except maybe someone not realizing they are friends with psychopaths that have a dead body in their living room.
Seven Samurai
The heroes lose 4 of their own. I'll give you this one, this is the most realistic depiction of a hero movie.
The Martian
Poor mission planning. They can monitor, predict, and plan for dust storms on Mars today. But in the future, all that goes out the window when humans are involved? This entire scenario depends on someone not doing their job properly.
This is why I prefer The Watchmen.
Seriously? Only one hero literally has multiple superpowers including clairvoyance and precognition, but he can't sense what the villain with no superpowers is doing right in front of him because of something that hasn't happened yet? That one has always bothered me...
Yep, it's the perfect metaphore for human cognition. Doesn't matter how smart you are, nobody can know everything, and there will always be circumstances outside of your control no matter how powerful you become.
The true weakness of the gods is the hubris of men.
Doesn't blue boy's speech at the end really dig at this concept? He basically admits it was right under his nose the whole time, iirc.
Or maybe I'm imagining it. It's been quite a while. Might be embelishing on the lines about how he ultimately agrees with the plan.
That was the gist of it from my memory, but I'm in the same situation as you.
Not true, that is just lazy writing.
Agreed. Infinity War was so dumb, I never even bothered to see Endgame. In that sense, it had the same effect on me as The Last Jedi, but at least MCU had an overarching story planned which is more than can be said for the Disney SW trilogy.
Infinity War has its faults. It's paced a little nonstop and the Wakanda bits are a bit weak. That being said, I saw it ten times in the cinema and it's the perfect movie for me. I swear -- the tail end of Thanos being on Titan to the end of the movie, you can feel how somber it was and I feel that's because of the connection to the characters. We can always say "oh they're coming back" but I like to watch the movie on its own and remember just how it felt watching the movie for the first time.
Yeah infinity war was better, I knew this the moment Thanos ripped that planet down with the power and space stones
Exactly. Endgame is great in terms of fanservice, but IW is just a far more solid film
Less of a hill and more of a well constructed 15th century fortress with about 100 loyal defenders at your service.
I'm still pissed that the McGuffin in that movie was basic-ass time travel, when they had the way cooler McGuffin of the Quantum Realm they could have explored.
To make matters even worse, it's seeming like the real reason they did the time travel BS was so they could start the multiverse BS, so they had a justification to continue pumping out garbage content.
Completely agree! Though time travel wasn't a MacGuffin, it was just a plot contrivance. A Macguffin is an interchangeable irrelavent object used to drive the motivation for the plot. The "tesseract" in Avengers, or the "Philosopher/Sorcerer's Stone" in Harry Potter for example.
Sorry to be pedantic, I fully agree with your actual point, and just thought you might want to know.
Lol thank you, I genuinely appreciate the pedantry
It's also just a bad time travel movie because the purpose of it was to be appeal to self-contained nostalgia. Like, "hey, remember all these OTHER movies you saw that built up to this one? Well, they're going to revisit these in minor, superficial ways at the very end of our huge event." Yeah, dog, I don't care about those movies anymore and they weren't very entertaining to begin with. Just get to the ball numbing action violence.
I'm so sick of time travel
Agreed. My main takeaway from it was that my butt hurt after sitting in the theater for that long.
I fell asleep during it in the theater. It was so insanely boring.
You’ll have my bow.