Post Match Thread: Greece 0-1 Netherlands | European Championship Qualifying
Post Match Thread: Greece 0-1 Netherlands | European Championship Qualifying
#FT: Greece 0-1 Netherlands
Venue: OPAP Arena
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Greece
Odisseas Vlachodimos, Panagiotis Retsos, Konstantinos Mavropanos, Konstantinos Koulierakis (Manolis Siopis), Lazaros Rota, Dimitrios Kourbelis (Andreas Bouchalakis), Petros Mantalos (Vangelis Pavlidis), Anastasios Bakasetas (Taxiarchis Fountas), Fotis Ioannidis, Kostas Tsimikas, Georgios Masouras (Georgios Giakoumakis).
Subs: Giannis Konstantelias, Dimitris Pelkas, Anastasios Chatzigiovanis, Dimitris Giannoulis, Alexandros Paschalakis, Dimitrios Goutas, Sokratis Dioudis.
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Netherlands
Bart Verbruggen, Nathan Aké, Virgil van Dijk, Quilindschy Hartman (Micky van de Ven), Lutsharel Geertruida (Donyell Malen), Xavi Simons (Joey Veerman), Tijjani Reijnders, Mats Wieffer (Marten de Roon), Wout Weghorst (Brian Brobbey), Steven Bergwijn, Denzel Dumfries.
Subs: Daley Blind, Ian Maatsen, Calvin Stengs, Nick Olij, Andries Noppert, Stefan de Vrij, Jeremie Frimpong.
MATCH EVENTS | via ESPN
13' Lutsharel Geertruida (Netherlands) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul.
13' Dimitrios Kourbelis (Greece) is shown the yellow card.
28' Penalty saved. Wout Weghorst (Netherlands) right footed shot saved in the bottom right corner.
28' Petros Mantalos (Greece) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul.
45' Substitution, Netherlands. Donyell Malen replaces Lutsharel Geertruida.
51' Xavi Simons (Netherlands) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul.
60' Substitution, Greece. Taxiarchis Fountas replaces Anastasios Bakasetas because of an injury.
61' Substitution, Greece. Andreas Bouchalakis replaces Dimitrios Kourbelis.
61' Substitution, Greece. Manolis Siopis replaces Konstantinos Koulierakis.
62' Substitution, Netherlands. Brian Brobbey replaces Wout Weghorst.
62' Substitution, Netherlands. Joey Veerman replaces Xavi Simons.
74' Substitution, Netherlands. Micky van de Ven replaces Quilindschy Hartman.
76' Panagiotis Retsos (Greece) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul.
77' Substitution, Greece. Giorgos Giakoumakis replaces Giorgos Masouras.
81' Substitution, Netherlands. Marten de Roon replaces Mats Wieffer because of an injury.
81' Substitution, Greece. Vangelis Pavlidis replaces Petros Mantalos.
86' Vangelis Pavlidis (Greece) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul.
90'+3' Goal! Greece 0, Netherlands 1. Virgil van Dijk (Netherlands) converts the penalty with a right footed shot to the bottom right corner.
VAR is a flat circle.
how was that not a penalty at the end, hernandez is such a useless ref
That ref was on drugs.
Right at the death
Shame. Boys played well, and that second pen really shouldn’t have been given IMO after he looked at it on the monitor. Ody deserves to play at the highest level. Ioannidis should’ve squared it to Masouras.
Oh well. There’s still the playoffs to look forward. Dangerous teams over there as well; Kazakhstan, Luxembourg and Georgia are nothing to scoff at and have shown how dangerous they can be in the qualifiers, but I still like our chances. The team has improved lots from the failures of the past few campaigns, and we can only be proud of it. We shall go for it in March 😤
What made you think that 2nd pen shouldn't been given? I genuinely don't see it.
Way I saw it the contact was extremely light by Pavlidis, Dumfries almost fell by himself. I understand why he gave it, putting your arms out like that is practically asking for it, but plays like this were not called penalties countless of times before.
And to not give the other sour guy an interaction, the last VAR check absolutely was a pen, but he probably wouldn’t make it out the field if he did give it lmao
Because he is biased as fuck. Clear pen, and another clear pen denied a few minutes later. Ref was on crack
Because he is biased as fuck. Clear pen, and another clear pen denied a few minutes later. Ref was on crack
What made you think that 2nd pen shouldn't been given? I genuinely don't see it.
If the second penalty was a foul, that should have been a second yellow for Pavlidis no?
Not according to the Hernandez Hernandez rule book. Would be a purple card at most if Pavlidis threw a 180.
Yeah it's a tactical foul that gets you a yellow anywhere on the pitch, the referee spared him.
We fought hard for it but Netherlands is clearly the better team and with much more quality.
Karma for the laserpointing cunts
Terrible match, but the result is all that matters.
Without Frenkie and Gakpo and (less so) depay, de ligt, lang... was hard to expect much more
Streep eronder en door
Oranje inwisselen voor groen, ik ben weer een Springboks fan.
good, shove those laser pens up your asses.
Greek FA should be hit with an absurd fine to be honest, this shit is getting ridiculous at this point. Ref could also just stop games and if it continues award a 3-0 win.
It is a known issue but they absolutely refuse to do anything about it. It influences games, is unfair and potentially dangerous.
The laser pens were awful. I preferred the water bottles being thrown after Van Djik’s shitty celebration.
Lasers aside, and as much as I'd want our Greek brothers to qualify, we really don't need Netherlands as an opponent in our eventual play-off bracket.
And if I understand correctly, they would indeed be one of the semi-finalists in our play-off round.
Greek FA should be hit with an absurd fine to be honest, this shit is getting ridiculous at this point. Ref could also just stop games and if it continues award a 3-0 win.
It is a known issue but they absolutely refuse to do anything about it. It influences games, is unfair and potentially dangerous.
Lasers aside, and as much as I'd want our Greek brothers to qualify, we really don't need Netherlands as an opponent in our eventual play-off bracket.
And if I understand correctly, they would indeed be one of the semi-finalists in our play-off round.
I've come to the conclusion that watching H^2 ref takes away one year of your lifespan each game.
Fucking cheating netherlands. Good thing messi humiliated you at the world cup
Go cry in Play-Offs
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I think he's Greek you guys (μαλάκα)
Lol, should have been another pen in the end
Go buy some more laser pens to compensate for all the pens your team gives away.
Cry some more my child.
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meanwhile greece hasnt qualified for nearly 10 years
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I think he's Greek you guys (μαλάκα)
Go buy some more laser pens to compensate for all the pens your team gives away.
Fuck off with your laser pens
Go cry in Play-Offs
Fuck off with your laser pens
WHOOP WHOOP🙌
Hernandez Hernandez least corrupt Spanish referee.
I know there's virtually no chance of it happening, but Ireland and Gibraltar have a chance to do something objectively hilarious in a month's time
Hey so can u against france tbf
Ireland would literally benefit from losing to us lol
Hey so can u against france tbf
Why didn’t you do it yourself? Had two games to do something, scoring a total of 0 goals. Maybe next time start with some strikers.
Ireland would literally benefit from losing to us lol
Yeah it's over Ireland will definitely throw the game. It makes no sense for them to try
Yeah it's over Ireland will definitely throw the game. It makes no sense for them to try
Why didn’t you do it yourself? Had two games to do something, scoring a total of 0 goals. Maybe next time start with some strikers.
Most likeable Dutch "person":
It’s a shame we have become so hospitable nowadays. Really makes you miss those 2018 encounters with the Dutch
Most likeable Dutch "person":
I would foul Brobbey too if I were slower than he was
Brobbey is pretty fast tbf. Faster than you'd think.
Brobbey is pretty fast tbf. Faster than you'd think.
Absolute dog shit referee tonight
2 non-existent penalties awarded, 1 stonewall penalty denied. Somebody give me what the ref is smoking.
Lol should have 4
I don't even know nor care anymore.
We did get those pens because we were in the box so much, it's amazing none of the shots went in throughout the match.
Still fair play, you'll make it through the playoffs, if you keep that up.
2 non-existent penalties awarded
What are you smoking?
Evidently something weaker than the ref.
Evidently something weaker than the ref.
the first "non-existant" penalty literally prevented a goal that was being scored because he blew the whistle early
2 non-existent penalties awarded
What are you smoking?
*2 clear penalties not awarded, 1 of 2 correctly awarded penalties almost overturned by a moronic VAR.
Didn't see the first one, but the second pen was clear right? How could that not be one
I don't even know nor care anymore.
We did get those pens because we were in the box so much, it's amazing none of the shots went in throughout the match.
Still fair play, you'll make it through the playoffs, if you keep that up.
Lol should have 4
Very hard-fought but imo deserved win in the end if you look at the chances. Definitely not the prettiest match, but thats to be expected when the stakes are this high. Also how was that last moment not a penalty, ref seemed a bit intimated there
How did Van de Ven play off the bench
Started nervous and badly misplaced first pass followed by a period of very conservative passing by him. Then had a rush showing good pace past two players before being fouled and had a few good defensive actions afterwards.
This was all from the left back position, weirdly enough
made a mistake early on which could have ended badly, but seemed to recover from that pretty well, especially considering he was playing as a lb
Awful match made slightly more fun by the VAR and referee giving us something entertaining to watch.
Hernandez Hernandez is the worst referee i have ever seen
Not even the worst Spanish one tbh.
But is he at least the worst spanish referee that gets Uefa matches? (Please say yes)
Please mr cowman, no more weghorst. I like his passion but he's very limited.
He's good only as a last minute battering ram.
Koeman needs to go to Eindhoven and beg Luuk de Jong to come back. Even if it's just for the Euros.
Netherlands played terrible. Greece had to win but played without any strikers? Referee was trying to be the star of the game and VAR was horrid. Lasers on the players from the stands, the pitch quality was a joke. Everything about this was horrible.
Greece has played this way for a long time
Prime Hernandez performance
Someone should tell the Greek you don’t get points for fouls in your own box
Reijnders was fantastic before he was moved up, Hartman best player on the field.
Simons and Weghorst really bad.
reijnders is always fantastic
Lol @ the Simons mention. You probably also booed Ziyech when he was playing for you because (despite the many chances he created an goals he was involved in) he lost the ball sometimes?
Simons wasn’t useful, but also wasn’t useless. The moment he got taken off we immediately lacked any form of forward progression
reijnders is always fantastic
Simons wasn’t useful, but also wasn’t useless. The moment he got taken off we immediately lacked any form of forward progression
Man I really hope these lasers don’t become commonplace at matches
Do you mean in the eredivisie?
I really thought that that last review would’ve been a penalty damn
Definitely a pen, not sure what the ref was smoking.
It clearly was, clearly takes out Brobbeys's foot first.
Ref was power tripping at the end
It probably should have been
Definitely a pen, not sure what the ref was smoking.
Insane that it wasn’t a pen tbh, feels like he didn’t want to give another one
everyone i was watching with was confused as fuck why it wasnt given since its such a clear foul
It clearly was, clearly takes out Brobbeys's foot first.
Insane that it wasn’t a pen tbh, feels like he didn’t want to give another one
everyone i was watching with was confused as fuck why it wasnt given since its such a clear foul
It probably should have been
What a referee😂.
But at the and a deserved win.
Btw fuck of with your laser lights.
Veerman leuke voetballer voor de Eredivisie maar laten we t daar asjeblieft bij houden. Schouten is de beste middenvelder van PSV.
De Veermanhype neemt aparte vormen aan. Tegen Gibraltar mag hij wel spelen, maar wat mij betreft blijft hij verder lekker thuis. Veerman is 24, dus misschien is dit niet zijn plafond, maar ik zie hem niet nog een klasse of twee beter worden.
We need to stop getting Spanish refs, they have no idea what they are doing
What an embarassing match for the Dutch. Koeman is the biggest fraud manager of all time
Greece was just as bad though as was the pitch and the ref
Greece was just as bad though as was the pitch and the ref
Missing half our starting 11 and our entire attack, not too shabby tbh
Missing half our starting 11 and our entire attack, not too shabby tbh
laser pen? wtf is greece fan doing in the stadium with laser?
What is this 2003
Same thing as at AEK - Ajax.
Really hope some attacking power comes back next time, this really was bad. 4-3-3 after halftime looked good for 15 minutes, but not that convincing otherwise.
Also, how was that last one not a pen? He clearly clips his leg, did he hit the ball a tiny bit or something?
How was that not a pen?
I bet on there being 2 goals, am I being biased or what?It was a pen, but to be fair the one before wasnt I think
But the one before would have been a goal if the ref didnt blow
So, make 2 mistakes instead of just 1?
Definitely a pen at the end. Ref was probably afraid of the home crowd.
pen at the end, but the 2nd pen shouldnt have been a pen, so balances out ig
It means you made not 1 mistake but you made 2 mistakes. With the whole 'balancing' you create different rules and thus confusion for players. Why is it allowed today and not next week? Why was it allowed last game and not today...?
We were shit, Greece was shit, and the ref & VAR were shit. Just a giant shit show but we got the job done.
don't forget the cunts with the laser pens, they top the shit charts
If I were a player I'd bring back the Edgar Davids look for a day and rock a pair of laser safely glasses.
No idea how the UEFA doesn't crack down on that harshly.
Honestly, makes me ashamed to be Greek and root for the greek team.
Let's see how we do on the playoffs.
Weghorst can piss off.
Also this match was fucking atrocious, just godawful.
Still don't understand why he ever starts. He's only ever good as a sub at the end. He adds absolutely fuck all in the first 60 minutes of a match.
Signed by a big club gets you an automatic free ticket, and one heroic free kick in his entire career is enough to stay on-board. Despite having five goals this entire year.
Really beats me
Maybe Koeman likes the way he sings the anthem or something
Fair play to Greece, those long balls in the second half were really scary. Realistically we should have converted some of those chances we had in the first half but luckily we got away with it, as our play today just wasn't good enough.
Hopefully we somehow find a centre forward underneath the floorboards somewhere before the Euros
Take Mexx Meerdink, fuck it.
We need Zirkzee to have a Fenomeno season
Hopefully we somehow find a centre forward underneath the floorboards somewhere before the Euros
I'd like to see Brobbey get another go. He came in when our ball progression was essentially gone with Hartman and wieffer off the pitch and he still gave the lay off for the Dumfries pen and should have gotten another penalty himself. He wasn't stellar but he was definitely better than Weghorst. Or play malen centrally, he was ass on the left.
We need Zirkzee to have a Fenomeno season
Ngl I actually like we won this way. Will make the Greek fans even more annoyed, deserved for the laser pens.
Sorry to break It up for you but some people need to realize that Greeks dont care about shit and they will bring lasers to their volleyball/football/basketball matches no matter what happens until the end of the time. Call It "culture" , "rude" or "unsportsmanlike" It's your choice but they will never learn/change. I just mention It so you don't need to waste your energy ever again to that matter and restore It for something better
Haha ons Virgil niet blij met het veld
Should have had 4 penalties but whatever.
I dont want to see Weghorst in the NT ever again.
I would say my opinion but I don't want another Perma ban
I'm surprised you didn't already get a ban mr Putin
Netherlands hive mind downvoting me for no reason lmao
Netherlands hive mind downvoting me for no reason lmao
You might have missed the definition of perma ban.
Also Netherlands 100% deserved to win anyway.
I was Perma banned but appealed like 20+ times and got unbanned. I know I want to say bad things about our defense
I was Perma banned but appealed like 20+ times and got unbanned. I know I want to say bad things about our defense
I'm surprised you didn't already get a ban mr Putin
You might have missed the definition of perma ban.
Also Netherlands 100% deserved to win anyway.
That ref missing the first half pen and pen in the last minute of the game is outrageous.
Missing? He literally looked at the video...
Must’ve been blinded by all the laser pointers.
Getting 4 penalties would've been really funny and not entirely undeserved.
Punten zijn punten
We are winning the whole thing!!
How was it not a third pen at the end?
Hernández Hernández is how, trash ref
Koeman atm explaining that Weghorst was allowed to take the pen because he is very good at them in training. Like bro maybe that’s cuz our goalies aren’t good at penalty stopping in the first place + less pressure during a training. Please just let guys take pens that are used to taking them in big, ACTUAL matches
I would be fine with Reijnders too tbh, guy seems cool as can be under pressure.
I would be fine with Reijnders too tbh, guy seems cool as can be under pressure.
We are fine with either Gakpo or Memphis.
We are fine with either Gakpo or Memphis.
Feel like the 2 pens that the ref didn't give were bigger pens than the one he did give
He gave two, but yes, both of those were smaller fouls than the two he didn’t give
Yeah I'm not complaining, just strange all in all
Hernandez 2 never disappoints
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Ik kan er zo slecht tegen dat Weghorst zo vreselijk overdreven aan Virgil z'n nek gaat hangen na het scoren van die penalty. Komt zo gemaakt over allemaal. Ik geloof dat je passie hebt en blij bent dat we winnen, maar laat de captain even zn ding doen aub.
We weren't great, crazy that we legit should've had 4 pens instead of 2. The foul on Brobbey and the guy who dived one ball with his arm first in the first half.
Never let Weghorst take a pen again.
Again, sloppy game but with 4 of our starting 11 out injured we should just be happy we won.
IIRC, if a hand is supporting your weight while falling, it can't be given as a handball. That is presumably the judgement
Yeah but we both know that wasn't the case. He literally lunged at the ball.
Still hilarious that the replay just looks like his shoulder and the ball had some magnetic pull
Still hilarious that the replay just looks like his shoulder and the ball had some magnetic pull
He clearly moved his entire body and arm towards the ball to block it though. If the rules say that wasn't a pen then the rules suck.
Yeah but we both know that wasn't the case. He literally lunged at the ball.
IIRC, if a hand is supporting your weight while falling, it can't be given as a handball. That is presumably the judgement
- AEK's owner should be ashamed of himself for the state of the pitch. This is a brand new stadium, you can't be bothered to have the grass in good condition ?
- The Spanish referee showed why Lahoz was the best Spanish referee for years.
- We played quite well given our lack of talent in many positions, if we were a bit luckier we could have got points today.
- We should be able to beat Kazakhstan at home and then if we are mentally ready, beat Georgia or Luxembourg and make it to the Euro.
PS. I already see comments about the lasers again, so I will post it again, that if there are matches with fans in Greece, there will be lasers. In football, basketball, volleyball, handball, everything. In penalties, free throws, serves...no you can't stop them from having them, in Greece the ultras bring whatever they want inside, the police doesn't do their job, the laws aren't upheld. You would have to either reshape Greek society and institutions or have all matches in Greece without fans. No other solution.
What do you mean about lasers blud? 💀 In our gate they opened It 5 minutes before the match because they realized they were too slow for the normal "checking your ticket+checking If you carry anything Illegal". I could have easily see the match without a ticket today. But worse Is I could have been In the stadium with something Illegal and we saw today what happened 😭
Koeman vindt het jammer dat er geen penalty specialisten zijn.
Ik kan me die van Koopmeiners nog wel herinneren.
Koopmeiners en Memphis moeten zich beledigd voelen. En tja, die waren er nu niet bij, maar Bergwijn kan er ook een aardig paar goede nemen
Thank fuck.
Hernandez Hernandez was on something today though. So many dogshit calls. He got like half the corner calls wrong. He gaves us 2 penalties, but ignored two penalty calls that were much more of a pen than 1 of them that was given.
Also ignored VAR twice on those pens, which was fun to see.
The var and ref holy fuck, these spanish refs are one of the if not the worst refs on the planet.
Still props to the Greek. They kept it quite tight at the back. Just wondering why their two strikers were left out? If they could just materialise some chances, it would have been a way more tight game. They were mostly toothless...
It seemed like the plan was to lock up the back to keep it 0-0, and the bring in the attacking players in the last 10-15 minutes to take advantage of the tired defense.
It seemed like the plan was to lock up the back to keep it 0-0, and the bring in the attacking players in the last 10-15 minutes to take advantage of the tired defense.
Far too many individual mistakes and we got away with most thanks to the players putting in extra effort and getting into last ditch tackles. The plan was solid, the lads gave everything, Ioannidis ripped apart that Ake bloke, Retsos has a place in my heart for yelling in the face of Brobbey and Vlachodimos can only be assumed has testicles the size of melons. We'll make it through Nations League on March.
May Ronald Koeman manage the Dutch for years to come.
I'm not sure what Koeman was doing in the second half. First half wasn't exactly totaalvoetbal but we invited the press and had some decent attacks and a missed pen. We didn't have much control at all in the second half and basically had massive gaps between the lines and attackers on an island. Van de Ven at left back meant a few dangerous possession losses in the build up and made their press much more effective. I some some Steijnbal in the end with us spamming long balls on Brobbey with a hopelessly out of form Bergwijn to his left. He obviously did well to win the penalty and we won in the end but it wasn't due to great game management.
This Dutch team has some serious issues but Greece came up short against both them and France in some close games
Nice win from the Netherlands. Good to see.