I got a lot of push-back on a comment I made here about how bigger trucks/suvs are the primary cause the increasing pedestrian death-rate in America so apparently more people need to see this video.
I'm a huge NotJustBikes fan, but I hate how this, of all his videos, is the one that gets the traction in forums.
I mean, sure, big trucks suck -- but it's not as if small ones don't! The fundamental cause of all these deaths (and a bunch of other big problems, to boot) is cities being designed for automobiles to the exclusion of everything else, and quibbling about the size of them is nothing but a distraction.
Presumably by "small trucks" you mean ones that are restricted by the same regulations as cars are. Even if we had very good infrastructure, large trucks would still be less safe than ones with safe bumpers and clearances and less mass. I don't think someone can say one way or the other that large trucks would not still be a problem. So it's perfectly reasonable for people to be concerned about large trucks, both in the fantasy world that you'd like this discussion to be taking place in, and here in the real world.
What I mean is that anybody quibbling about the difference in safety between one multi-thousand-pound vehicle and another is missing the forest for the trees. Every car, whether it's a Geo Metro or a dually F-350, takes up the same amount of space: one parking space and one whole lane of traffic each. That means every automobile contributes equally to sprawl, and that even the tiniest, most efficient hatchback is, in the grand scheme of things, only a small margin better than a coal-rolling douche-mobile!
The real solution to traffic, to pollution, to housing costs, to obesity, and to a bunch of other crises including but not limited to the increase in mental health problems due to the lack of "third places" -- the only real solution to any of these things -- is to get people out of the damn cars entirely. Not to get them into smaller cars; to get them out of all cars and into transit, biking and/or walking instead.
If you want to complain about something being too big, the thing to complain about is minimum lot size for single-family zoned homes, not trucks!
Frankly, I think the real reason big truck hate is popular is mainly so that people can scapegoat trucks as being the problem in order to try to absolve themselves of blame for their car-dependent habits. The whole notion is a harmful distraction.
When's the last time you saw a "small" truck? Even the "small" ones like Rangers and Mavericks outsize the F150 from a couple decades ago.
I continue to maintain that trucks should be restricted to industrial and agricultural use and/or be prohibitively expensive for noncommercial purposes.
If it is significantly more dangerous to other people, put stricter licensing requirements on it! It is totally logical to require a commercial license for trucks that are disproportionately killing people in the hands of typical drivers.
The new Ranger is indeed the same size as an old F150, but the Maverick isn't outrageous. I own an old 1996 Ranger, and the Maverick I parked next to one day was basically the same size (more cab and less bed length, but the overall dimensions were the same).
In principle I'm not a huge fan of the types of restrictions you propose, but the least we could do is repeal the Chicken Tax and abolish having separate, more lenient CAFE standards for light trucks.
By the way, in the traffic engineering profession, this is what we call level of service A. A road with 4 lanes in each direction with no apparent traffic on it is definitely the highest and best use of urban space. Don't let anyone tell you different.
I would love to see a smaller auto company advertise more to the lazy American than the status symbol American. We might get some more quality trucks like old pickups again back in the day.
Best if you target station wagons and small pickups to teens, so when they get olders they'll adjust again to more practical things when the old gen does out
I would love to be able to get like a little Ford Ranger or like my step-dad's Datsun. It's not too much truck, still functional; not flashy and fancy. I'm a millennial, I can remember when trucks were tools, not fashion statements. It boggles my mind that you basically can't find a truck for less than $50,000 because they're all tricked out luxury vehicles.
Ya I have a big ass truck. I need it. It’s not my primary vehicle. I have a couple more efficient cars we use for daily stuff. But I use it for what it’s made for - hauling, business needs, and camping trips etc. But I hate how the front end is designed to make it hard to see what’s directly in front of you below the hood. I am extra cautious about keeping an eye out. But it’s dangerous.
That’s said, many newer vehicles have Pedestrian crash avoidance mitigation (PCAM). Should be required by law to be standard by now.
Pedestrian crash avoidance mitigation (PCAM) sounds great and all, but it still entirely misses one of the main points of the video about how cars have legal standards to follow regarding bumper heights, yet trucks are exempted. This has allowed truck bumper and hood heights to get out of control, which endangers the life of other drivers as bumpers only work if they line up horizontally. Trucks are literally being manufactured to keep the driver safe at the cost of everyone else on the road.
Had this convo a while ago, and afterwards I thought: why do people need these big ass trucks, when for decades we've had powerful enough trucks that did the same things newer giant Rams do? Like people gave been hauling work equipment, farm supplies and campers long before they got as big as they are now.
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So first of all, I actually linked to the same discussion on Beehaw in my post description, though if we want to be really semantic, you and I both linked a copy on our respective instances. Here's the actual "original" hosted on beehaw.orghttps://beehaw.org/post/794713
Second of all, I am actually an active participant in the discussion over there where I originally linked this video.
Third of all, that Beehaw post is about an NPR article, not the Not Just Bikes video.
Lastly, I only even saw that discussion on Beehaw because I was using a different instance than my usual. A large portion of Lemmy users are on lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, which Beehaw defederated from, so those users will never even see the discussion, let alone be able to participate in it. Beyond that, many users on federated instances are browsing subscriptions, and they may not be subscribed to Beehaw's News, but they may be subscribed to one of the popular video communities.
EDIT: It looks like I've ratioed the post on Beehaw anyways, which furthers my point that this has more visibility than their News post.
'Us' meaning Americans, right? The people who must put 'Literally' into a sentence to make it plain that the meaning of the word is the meaning of the word without any comprehension of what they spout?
I had a family from Texas visit for a couple of weeks. They were shocked when they saw our car - it has a 1.2L engine and CVT.
At home they have high performance vehicles... of course, they did find it very important to TELL everyone about this. I didn't bother asking them WHAT they needed these vehicles for - I'm sure that a 1.2 litre engine could drive around Texas (ours has done a good 600,000 km already and still runs like new).
Yet they still managed to get everywhere they wished to go, and decent speeds, in decent comfort.
Probably for less than 10% of the cost.
It's stupid Americans that are Literally Killing Us.
The number of people in these comments who didn’t watch the video is astounding. He literally meant the entire world because in the last few minutes of the video he talks about how things are also spiraling out of control in Europe:
Regardless, looking at the best selling SUV models worldwide in 2021 they’re made by the Japanese, Germans, and South Koreans, so no, it’s not “stupid Americans” killing us 🙄
So my family has two trucks. We run a ranch in a rural area and we use them a lot. I also use my skid steer and tractor multiple times a week. That said, if we can be more economical as a whole, great. But electric vehicles are ignoring the mining and shipping costs of batteries and there's no way an electric truck can haul what I need to now and there's no viable solution for electric farming or construction equipment. Also, wasn't it found that about 70% of pollution comes from shipping? And wasn't more that 90% of pollution from the top 100 companies in the world? So why are a small part of consumer vehicles the problem? Or is it just more conscionable people to offload on?
So? You have a narrow use case that has nothing to do with what's being discussed here. Every time SUVs clogging cities is discussed you people come out "but how will I run my farm".
People running farms or similar businesses have been using pick-ups and other utility vehicles since times immemorial.
I don't know if you're lying about the farm or not, frankly it doesn't matter, it shouldn't be any of your business whether or not suburbia is using massive trucks to ferry their kids to and from school.
Actually they're actively hurting you. Because manufacturers now target people who won't ever use them as utility vehicles, you can no longer buy basic cheap reliable pick-ups.
They're all swollen with plastic bodywork that won't hold up to farm work, all the pointless faff inside is adding weight that's actively hurting your fuel efficiency whilst again making it less rugged.
The target audience is now an urban/suburban dweller who will lease it for three years and swap for a newer one, so everything is now less repairable when something goes wrong 6 months after the warranty runs out.
Plus now you're paying a luxury tax.
Really I fail to see how your life has been improved by the SUV invasion into cities.
Personally I think you're disingenuous and making a strawman argument because you like your lifted truck that's never seen mud.
Most of all plastics recycling is a lie and aluminum is now excluding anything with shrinkwrap or adhesive labels. Where I live, we can pay extra to recycle, but they dump it in the same truck and take it to the same landfill because they can't get anyone to pay enough to truck it out.