Sometimes I feel like I'm being mean when I pick on my nonvegan friends.
Sometimes I feel like I'm being mean when I pick on my nonvegan friends.
But then I remember I didn't take their children away, hook them up to a machine to extract food from them, or kill them. And that makes me feel like making fun of carnists is not so bad.
And this moral high horse logic is exactly why vegans get the reputation they do.
Abolitionists had a similar reputation in the 1700s and early 1800s - slavery in the US couldn't be abolished, it was crazy to call for a total ban, reasonable people could compromise, etc. And we all know how that ended.
Change starts with people who refuse to compromise their morals, no matter the social or legal consequences.
Veganism needs proud vegans.
And in my opinion that's fine, I can honestly understand the vegan view point, and how frustrating it is to see other living beings being exploited for our gain. There is a difference between what you are describing and people who make every effort to make snotty self righteous remarks every chance they get.
At that point it isn't even about the movement anymore, it's about the individual saying these things to feel morally superior to others. They are not helping by reminding their friend that is eating an ice cream that the cow was kidnapped and raped unprompted. They gain nothing by doing that except boosting their own ego and likely making their friend unwilling to hear their view point in the future.
To be fair, I'm sure if an alien race were to do that to us, they would justify it to us and offer us an out, unless they just needed to farm us like we do for bacteria for producing antibiotics
It's not a moral high horse, it sounds extreme and therefore you react to like that but it isn't an exaggeration, it's the truth, that's literally what happens in reality.
Late reply. Sorry. Try walking into a slaughterhouse at night and smellin the flesh blood and fear of a hundred screaming slaves. There’s no rhetoric or high horses. This is the most widespread horror the world has ever seen. Fuck your attitude.
My argument has never been that we can't treat living things better during their living years. You can make good points and still be insufferable about it. Fuck your attitude.
And your cry baby wah wah comment is why carnists get the reputation they do.
I mean it's a good way to lose friends and fail to convince people to become vegan
Depends on what OP means by being mean. I read it as the sometimes sardonic remarks that are almost compelled from us when they want to discuss their carnist lifestyle around us or to us as though we are just gonna be like "you be you".
Read this as Norwegian, was slightly confused.
I feel ya.
The other day my friend was complaining that his ice cream he had delivered was melted. And I was like "Aw man. They raped a mother and killed her calf to make that ice cream for you and you didn't even get to enjoy it cold". He just rolled his eyes at me but yea, like sorry I'm not sorry lol.
Yeah, this is pretty much exactly what I do. People get uncomfortable for a second, but I feel like I have to remind them what their actions look like from my perspective. I've realized that if I don't make jokes, they just never think about it!
They're mean to animals, absolutely deserved