1Password: Rolling out telemetry this summer
1Password: Rolling out telemetry this summer
We’ll soon be rolling out a privacy-preserving telemetry system to customer accounts. Learn how the rollout is going to work, and the steps we’ve taken to protect your privacy.
Say whatever you like but "a privacy-preserving telemetry" sounds to me like an oxymoron.
Im using bitwarden for mobile devices filled with crucial credentials and my main vault is a full offline database in keepassxc
main vault is a full offline database in keepassxc
I'm curious what your config looks like for this. How do you keep your db offline but accessible? Is it a restricted docker container? How do you access it when you're not at home or on multiple machines (like a laptop)?
That's the neat part... he doesn't.
Why don't you use a sync tool to automatically sync your KeePass database when you're home and just get rid of Bitwarden?
Edit: Or just use Syncthing to always keep your database on all devices in sync. You wouldn't even need to open ports.
I have gone back and forth on KeePassXC and Bitwarden. I usually do a yearly reset of all my passwords and that is when i do the switch. I'm fine with Bitwarden but permissions to make it easy on Android phone seems excessive. You guys are prompting me to reexamine.
Anyone try self-hosting VaultWarden?
It's good to have Bitwarden
I like KeePass. It's got a decent Android app that syncs with my computer (I keep the library and a keyfile in Google Drive). Getting the Drive plugin to work with the desktop app took a little bit of googling but once it was set up it's maintenance-free.
I use vaultwarden because I couldn't get the premium bitwarden to load on my self hosted bitwarden server, but same thing really. I still pay for premium bitwarden. It's worth it for such a great product.
Keep calm folks, they're just not profitable right now. Unlike some of the smaller players with a viable business model, they just need to remain profit-driven until those profits arrive.
Small nuance:
"Later this summer, you’ll see the option to participate in our telemetry system and help improve 1Password. You don’t need to take any action right now, and we won’t collect any usage data without your awareness and consent first. Participation will be optional for Individual and Family plan customers. And at this time, our telemetry system won’t be rolled out to any team or business using 1Password."Aka, it's an opt-in that you can simply not opt-in to and if you don't nothing changes and then it won't be used on you.
For now. This is step one of enshittification. Step 2 is enabling it for new accounts by default. Step 3 is removing the ability for new accounts to turn it off. Step 4 is defaulting it on for legacy users, and step 5 makes it mandatory for everyone that isn't paying for something.
As such, we're better off just opting out of using 1Password.
Says them, I guess. Feels kinda weird to me.
And at this time, our telemetry system won’t be rolled out to any team or business using 1Password.
Uhh, what? If it's opt-in why does it matter if team or business doesn't have this? Different standards? To go through such lengths to explain this telemetry stuff to convince people, "Oh, no worries, yo! It's OPT-IN! Trust us!" feels very dirty to me.
Business software has very different requirements. It's much harder to implement stuff for them without breaking those requirements. Think compliances like (ISO) norms and laws regarding commercial businesses, contracts, or even the software being made to work and be administrated on a whole different scale. You can't compare really...
While I agree it could go worse from here into a downwards spiral of enshitification, all I meant was that the title is a bit misleading into the other direction; making it sound like they would force telemetry onto users. If they wouldn't say shit about this option, no one would sign up, even if they wouldn't mind it. And basically, they're explaining how they tried to make it as anonymous as possible and that's it's opt-in, which would also be a way to go if you legitimatly want to get data for improvement only. If that's truly what they want, time will tell.
The moment it stops being optional I'm looking for a different password manager right away, I switched more complex and important things for similar reasons. But since my experience with them has been good, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now.
Because if I'm a CEO I can't confirm that my other employees won't opt in. Is the opt-in at an admin only level? Then you haven't gained consent of the individual. So it's a bit more complicated to roll out functionality to these classes of customers.
Maybe they just straight up don't care about data from those users?
Also the decision to exempt business and teams makes no business sense. Companies derive the lion’s share of their revenue from enterprise. If a company wants to optimize their product offering, you’d do so with your most desireable, profitable segment in mind. This just seems like a backwards decision.
I think more probably, they’re dogfooding it on the consumer segment and then after they’ve worked out the “oops, we shouldn’t have collected that bit of data” errors, they’ll move to include enterprise. But I’d guess that consumers are the guinea pigs here.
and we won’t collect any usage data without your awareness and consent first
If it really requires explicit and informed consent, then that's ok.
Nah. Its just a tried and true step of enshitification. Fingers crossed that bitwarden is already profitable so we still have a good cloud password manager...