2023 Dutch Grand Prix - [RACE] discussion thread
2023 Dutch Grand Prix - [RACE] discussion thread
FORMULA 1 HEINEKEN DUTCH GRAND PRIX 2023
Circuit stats | |
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First Grand Prix | 1952 |
Number of laps | 72 |
Lap record | 1:11.097 Lewis Hamilton (2021) |
2022 winner | Max Verstappen |
What a horrible weekend for Charles.
24 0 ReplyNo kidding. Ferrari dropped the ball, and quite badly.
4 0 ReplyProbably better to have a damaged car on a weekend where Charles isnt 100% fit than on a different one
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Correct choice to retire though.
4 0 ReplyFerrari just wtf this season.
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Wet tires will probably never be used (unless enforced), even if the conditions are clearly full wet.
Teams are so greedy with staying on the inters so that even if some drivers pit for full wets, the race will inevitably be red flagged because someone staying on the inters will crash, which then makes you look silly for pitting for full wets a lap or two earlier.
Granted that they reinstated the positions of the previous lap so Perez is actually fine, but let Zhou crash one lap later and Red Bull would've been punished with Perez for doing the right thing for safety and to try and keep the race going.
21 0 ReplyI call the full wets "red flag tyres" cos we never see them on a car during a race for more than a lap without a red flag
9 0 ReplyThe teams say that the wet tires are unusable. Pirelli would need to rework the formula for this compound for the teams to be happy with it
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I think everyone agrees with that, apparently even perelli have called it the safety car tire....
I think the best suggestion was to make a much better tire between the two if they can - that reduced the amount of tires they are lugging around too.
6 0 ReplyMake the full wet better or the inter worse or add a third option, but something needs to change. Visibility concerns have been a legitimate issue in past races, but that definitely wasn't the case today.
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Full Wets should be mandated for all teams in these conditions for a set # of laps. That would eliminate the teams gamesmanship, increase safety and avoid the embarrassing red flags. F1 is so poorly run.
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When Alpine gets on the podium
20 0 ReplyMax on radio: 😃
Alonso on radio:😏😀
Gasly on radio: 😁😁😁😁🤯🤯🤯🤯😎😎😎
16 0 ReplySpeaking as a dutchie. There really is no crowd better than the dutch at setting a great mood. Especially in bad weather.
13 0 ReplyWas it the Dutch GP where there were allegations of sexual harassment last year? Or was that somewhere else? I dont quite remember
7 1 ReplyApparently so. I didn't know about his but just read up on it. 15 cases quite bad. They stepped up measures this year. Hopefully there are no cases this year however we won't know till after.
6 0 ReplyI think it was Austria that made the news last year, but there were a lot of Dutch fans
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I can't think of many sporting events in the States that would have that same sort of response to a rain delay.
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So happy for Gasly.
11 0 ReplyHe was really happy himself :D
4 0 ReplySame
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VER PER ALO
Nature is healing.
11 0 ReplyWhy are they so obsessed about the Max-Perez pit stop. It wouldn’t matter, Max would pass Perez in a couple of laps anyways. He got the gap down from 10 to 2.5 sec.
11 0 ReplyI don't get it either.. They gave Perez inters first, dragged him up to the front, then Max got softs first, giving him back the lead.
They just saved Perez the embarrassment of getting passed by Max on track. Max is 6 seconds ahead already, for crying out..
7 0 ReplyIt's absolutely insane. Verstappen is on another plane of existence this season.
5 0 ReplyI also think that it wasn't malicious, I think they had to defend against Alonso. The other choice would have been double stacking Checo and Max, coming with its own risk.
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For those who are complaining: Jules Bianchi died under similar conditions in Suzuka 2014.
14 3 ReplyIf anything, it took too much time to red flag the race. Zhou was in a very dangerous position.
9 0 ReplyIf everyone had been on full wets then it would have been fine behind the safety car, but they don't pit because they expect a red flag. Catch 22
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I am angry because zhou's crash 2as unnecessary. He was going way way too fast at that point. If he had not crashed, we could have possibly seen the race continue with people switching to the wets and since the field was spread, the spray would have been less of an issue
2 0 ReplyYup, and more recently Dilano van 't Hoff in Spa. :’( Okay, that was Formula 4 and not 1, but similar circumstances.
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Merc nightmare of a strategy, wow.
10 0 ReplyHow did they get things so, so wrong?
6 0 ReplyLol at Russell asking the same thing on the radio.
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They really cocked it up
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That slowmo of the redbull pit stop was incredible
9 0 ReplyAccording to Dutch social media the DJ started his Red Flag set with a song about "raining beer".
9 0 ReplyHet is dus pompen of verzuipen.
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The fact they booked a live singer for the Dutch anthem shows a lot of confidence. Not that the confidence is misplaced of course.
8 0 ReplyWhatever weather god: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
7 0 ReplyI just wish they didn't red flag. I want to see racing in full wet conditions.
2 0 ReplyYes, but the recovery is happening at the end of the straight into the Tarzan corner, where most of the crashes happened this weekend.
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I wasn't. Thanks, the whatever weather god.
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F1TV has been referencing memes throughout the broadcast, the cooldown room was announced as "time for the podcast".
7 0 ReplyCrowd singing along to "Que Sera, Sera", the DJ is on point.
7 0 ReplyCompare the atmosphere here to e.g. Abu Dhabi, quite the difference.
5 0 ReplyWalking on sunshine now.
5 0 ReplyAt least they got someone with humour.
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Man if I ever have enough money to go to an F1 race then I'm definitely going to the Dutch Grand Prix
7 0 ReplySargeant’s going to pull out a picnic basket lol
7 0 ReplyHe looked more like he was considering how to word the updates he's going to have to make to his CV.
3 0 ReplyPretty much. I wonder if this is going to put teams off of bringing more American drivers in because of how bad he's been.
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Perez restarts as 3rd.
7 0 ReplyThat's fair, I think.
6 0 ReplyYeh, it's good to not penalise teams for switching cars to the safer tire
5 0 ReplyIt's fair, but it's not the rules. FIA just making it up again.
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Guys, you may track the race from this site as well. https://f1-dash.vercel.app/ . This was created by a fellow lemmy user.
6 0 ReplyThis is cool. Especially for the radio messages.
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For anyone wondering.
Most pit stops in an F1 race, 88, 2011 Hungarian Grand Prix
we are at 35-36 so far if my maths is right
edit: 35, confirmed on-screen. need another shower to give a chance of the record :D
6 0 ReplyIs any rain expected later in the race? They'll definitely break the record if that happens.
1 0 Replyabout lap 35-40
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Interesting. Will be fun to see if that record is broken.
1 0 Reply35 at the moment.
Another rain storm would see us at 54 if everyone pits
Then dry again, 73 if everyone pits
So it needs a fair bit to hit 88, maybe a late safety car.
Need to look at that Hungary race and see what the hell happened to cause 88 pit stops (just looked, like this one, race with intermittent wet/dry periods)
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Man, Williams have utterly screwed the pooch this weekend.
If Albon had pitted for inters like everyone else he potentially would have been on the podium going into the second lot of rain.
Then with the second lot of rain they leave him out too long again and kick him down from 6th to 9th which they compound by putting him on inters when its clear full wets
Then they get him stuck in the damn pits.
6 0 ReplyDoesn't matter https://i.imgur.com/A8dJYDW.png I think.
1 0 Replywell he is going to restart 9th, if they had pitted with everyone else on the second rain he would have been 6th
and he lost god knows how much time not going on inters in the first rain spell
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Absolute disaster for Tsunoda. Couldn't have imagined the race going any worse for Yuki if I tried.
6 0 ReplyWhat happened to Yuki? He was in 13th and then suddenly 16th, TV coverage showed nothing 😞
4 0 ReplyHis front wing did him in after contact with Russell earlier in the race. Just completely torpedoed his race.
3 0 ReplyYeah, I thought he also got a penalty post crossing the line. Because one second he was ahead of Lawson, and then he was in 16.
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They are giving max priority over Perez? Oof
6 1 Replywell Perez got priority first lot of stops, fair Max gets it second time
4 0 ReplyDepends if max wanted to stay out or not on the opening laps
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That was a clear undercut strategy
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Restart in 10 min. I hope everyone will keep it whole
5 0 ReplyYay, Ferrari!
5 0 ReplyLeclerc and Sainz honestly deserve a podium or three based on their driving independent of the team getting in their way, imo.
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Absolute wild race so far.
5 0 ReplyPonchos and raincoats reported in the crowd at the start/finish.
5 0 ReplyJesus christ that rain came from somewhere :o
4 0 ReplyWelkom to de Nedderlands!
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With rain in the distance I am a bit baffled by Lewis decision to try and do a longer first stint, big time gamble
4 0 ReplyI dont think it will work
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Did someone say rain? 😁
4 0 ReplyThat would be good news for Albon!
1 0 ReplyNarrator: It wasn't.
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Nobody knows!
1 0 ReplyNobody knows!
Masterstroke as Ferrari pit both cars at the end of lap one for inters
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Thank you rain for making the first laps exciting
4 0 ReplyHappy for Gasly!
4 0 ReplyAlbon is overtaking on 23 lap old softs 😯
4 0 ReplyThe Williams is looking downright fast!
1 0 ReplyThat's the magic of Zandvoort with the banked corners.
1 0 ReplyAnd little wear on them in the rain + safety car laps.
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Already more entertainment than the previous two years.
4 0 ReplyI bet we've already had more overtakes than last year.
1 0 ReplyEspecially at this point
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Perez, Leclerc & Russell need to stop crashing into cars/walls. They all threw it away. I feel bad for Albon though, he did everything right, bad luck.
4 0 ReplyPoor alonso.
4 0 ReplyThankfully he got it back quick
6 0 ReplyDid a damn good job making up for it, though.
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Fucking no! I was hoping Tsunoda would have eclipsed his career best. Wonder if Russell is going to pick up a penalty for the contact on the straightaway.
Edit: Here's hoping.
3 0 ReplyEveryone is probably doing the rain dance
2 0 ReplyRace ain't over yet and rain might still be coming
2 0 ReplyWith the way things are going, and the damage to the front wing, looks like it might be a DNF.
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It looked like Yuki turned into Russell so I doubt Russell gets a penalty
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Can we please get Yuki in the points this race? Is it too much to ask to see Tsunoda with possibly a career best finish?
3 0 ReplyWould be lovely
2 0 ReplySeems like such a likeable lad.
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Ah, something else than that godawful Heineken trophy of the previous years.
3 0 ReplyThat Moet guy must have been in shamble
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Ricciardo fans conveniently looked away at that point.
3 0 ReplyLol @ ferrari
3 0 ReplyRed flag just as Checo changed tires, ffs
3 0 ReplyThey let him restart as p3.
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What an interesting race so far.
3 0 ReplyMore rain expected in about 20 minutes.
3 0 ReplyPiastri pitting again? Edit: ah, was his first
Damn that was bad timing
3 0 ReplyGotta love the dutch weather. HERE COMES THE RAIN.
3 0 ReplyMan I would love to see Albon or Yuki in the second AM.
2 0 ReplyI want to see Alonso in the red bull!
2 0 ReplyHe would challenge Max just as well as anyone else on the grid.
2 0 ReplyNow that would be an epic season
1 0 ReplyMax wouldn't want to see that and neither would Christian, they would cause absolute chaos fighting each other
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Oh dear, I hope the rain works out in Lando's favor this time.
2 0 ReplyNot by the looks of it, 19th
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Loving these changeable conditions!
2 0 ReplyFerrari being Ferrari.
2 0 ReplyFor about 12 months it was funny, now I am really starting to feel for Charles
He deserves better
1 0 ReplyNext to Max at RB?
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Are you kidding Ferrari. No tires again!?
2 0 ReplyThey got so lucky with with slick/inter delta. Their blunder is masked by how many cars were ahead on slicks.
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No grid-walk today?
2 0 ReplyThe one on F1TV just finished.
3 0 ReplyNo Martin it seems, Karun and Bernie Collins just chatting instead.
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Ffs, Red Bull pits Max before Perez.. they really want to lose that P2 in the drivers championship, dont they? Always giving Max preferred treatment
2 0 ReplyTo be fair to them, they gave Perez priority on the first set of pits which catapulted him up from mid pack to the lead.
And nothing in the timing was suggesting that Perez would hold 1st anyway
7 0 ReplyYou're right. Max definitely had enough pace that he would have overtaken on track if the undercut didn't happen.
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Perez got the first pit stop so he is now in second. It’s a redbull 1 2.
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Who's going to replace Sargeant next year? Any guesses?
2 0 ReplyRain on Max's visor - probably why he was pushing
2 0 ReplyAlonso is 3rd, stroll 19th (and by a mile)
Just get stroll out of there, honestly
2 0 ReplyWasn't watching his pit stops. Probably not his fault.
1 0 ReplyI wasn't really paying attention to him. How'd he end up so far back? Russell type situation?
1 0 ReplyHe was lagging behind the soft tyre runners when it was raining, on intermediates
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It’s like musical chairs out there
2 0 ReplyReally rooting for Lawson getting points in his debut.
2 0 ReplyDid TSU get back past NOR? Who did he overtake last?
2 0 ReplyWhat a race. Hope we get a restart.
2 0 ReplyIt'll restart, they've got ages
2 0 ReplyYeah, restart after 5 laps behind a safety car to dry the track.
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Looks Like Norris just mugged bottas there without even having to slow down
2 0 ReplyPerez in the wet again...
2 0 ReplyGasly podium? He has had an incredible race.
2 0 ReplyNoo
2 0 ReplyGasly podium :)
2 0 ReplyWhy on Earth would the TV direction show Perez just when Hamilton may have overtaken Sainz
2 0 Reply/me does a rain dance
1 0 ReplyIt's amazing how everything Redbull touch turns to gold. Pit stops just fell absolutely perfectly.
Also smart, they could have brought Max as team leader in first, but they give the weaker driver the early pit boost, knowing Max can pull it back in from a later stop.
2 1 ReplyAt least we're seeing Max have to do some overtaking.
1 0 ReplyMcLaren's lap times are insane...
1 0 ReplyThey dropped the ball again for perez.
1 0 ReplyMax on afterburners
1 0 ReplyMan Albon got fucked with that late pit call
1 0 Replythey should have gambled and gone wets like Ocon has
Williams really have thrown away a podium this weekend
2 0 ReplyDefinitely growing pains Williams will have to get through if they want to make it to the next step. I don't think they expected to be fighting for podiums already
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Sneaky Alonso at the start
1 0 ReplyChance of a rain red flag at the end? Will a team angle for it and stay out?
1 0 ReplyOnly down for Albon, is having made those softs last so long, he has no choice but to go onto under performing mediums
1 0 ReplyIt's a wet race, idk why they didn't put on another set of softs tbh
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So they have waited so long that intermediate tyres are MANDATORY!
Why do Pirelli bother making full wets?
3 2 ReplyApparently the teams hate those full wet tires and dont want to use them. So the race directors are stuck in an odd place.
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I went to the kitchen to make a cup of tea, come back, how the hell did George end up 16th :')
Man, Mercedes have got this horribly wrong
1 0 ReplyHe pitted late along with Lando. For some reason they wanted to replay the start like nothing was happening on the track.
2 0 ReplySudden rain and Merc insisted to leave both drivers on slicks, same with McLaren. All other teams pitted at least one driver for inters.
1 0 ReplyAnd now they've gone back to slicks with light rain in a lap or two. That seems risky.
1 0 ReplyIt sucks that their strategy didn’t work out.
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What happened to Charles?
1 0 ReplyRetired, floor damage, very slow.
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It's always surprising how many McLaren fans there are here. Those stands are packed with papaya.
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(I presume)
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Man, just imagine if Albon had actually pitted for inters with everyone else.
Williams very feasibly threw away a podium
20 odd seconds behind Alonso and threw away way more than that
1 0 ReplyGasly thought he himself got another penalty when the team first told him about Perez' penalty lol
1 0 ReplyNorris already 2s back from ham?
1 0 ReplyI like how they all amically clapped the Prince lol
1 0 ReplyFernando smelling a victory.
1 0 ReplyMy man Zhou on P2, it won't last long, but still: let's enjoy the moment.
1 0 ReplyThe camera shots on F1 TV make me doubt a lot of drivers will pit for inters. Didn't seem like a lot of rain was on the horizon.
1 0 Replyscrew it, they should just gamble and put full wets on Albon
1 0 ReplyFairweather fans are going to love picking and choosing after this one.
1 0 ReplyWow, Red Bull doing a Ferrari
1 0 ReplyOnly for Perez.
1 0 ReplyF1TV speculated he came in without warning, but I'll guess we'll hear it what happened.
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The McLaren's sure look good in racing conditions. What a fantastic driver pairing too.
1 0 ReplyFFS
1 0 ReplyFull wets might pay of for ocon
1 0 ReplyIt definitely would have if they didn't red flag the race.
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Max is really punching it..
Edit: Catching Perez almost as quick as Perez was catching up when first on intermediates.
1 0 ReplyThat overtake on Gasly looked like Max pushed him essentially into the wall, why didnt Gasly complain?
1 0 ReplyThey never penalize Max. Nothing will come of it I bet.
2 1 Replyi think he will, but we need to see Gasly's onboard
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Perez angling for the win
1 0 ReplyHehe, yeah..
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Lol at Stefano Domenicali not knowing how to do a high five.
1 0 ReplyWith the lack of grip of those mediums I won't be surprised if Lewis crashes
1 0 ReplyRed Bull with the McLaren '07 strategy.
1 0 ReplyLet’s see how long Checo can stay in first. Great strategy on inters but redbull
1 0 ReplyRace control should NOT be dictating tyre compounds.
If they’re wrong and someone drops it and loses points it’s race controls fault and that team have a very good argument to void these laps.
3 3 ReplyI think they just did it as safety, because otherwise everyone would pit for inters
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Glad Russell's out, but also glad he's okay. He should have gotten a penalty in my opinion for the contact on Tsunoda. Now Gasly with the podium finish.
1 1 ReplyBoo. Let them race.
1 1 ReplyFor fuck's sake. Let them race on full wets.
EDIT: Sorry. I was a little rash. More frustrated that we had to have a red flag because teams tried to force Inters rather than Full Wets.
3 4 ReplyThey've got a car to get off the track, in a turn where several drivers have gone off.
4 0 ReplyThey couldn't safely recover the car
3 0 ReplyThey have to remove Zhou's car. The race would finish under the SC without the red flag.
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Williams are a shitshow. That is all. And I'm honestly not sure Sargeant is up to being a Formula 1 driver.
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