Yes
Can you elaborate?
I read that Kbin defederated with Lemmy because it couldn't initially handle the influx of new users migrating from Reddit, but that it has federated again.
So is it a Lemmy instance, like Beehaw?
I know that Kbin doesn't use communities ("/c/") but uses magazines ("/m/") so I thought it was different.
I also read that there was some new way to post to Lemmy from Mastadon, but I thought those were different, like Reddit and Twitter. But they both rely on something called "ActivityPub"?
So is Kbin similar to Lemmy (by being Reddit-like), but distinct like Mastadon (which is Twitter-like)?
I didn't have a Twitter account, but was a heavy Reddit user. I don't have a Mastadon account, but I'm liking Lemmy. However I have some FOMO about Kbin because I don't understand how it all works together.
Kbin and Lemmy are separate pieces of software, yes, but they work in similar ways. The fediverse has a few examples of different software projects that have some overlap in their function and presentation, like Mastodon and Calckey, for instance.
Unlike Lemmy, Kbin has a native microblog feed in addition to the threaded posts like what you see on Lemmy.
Kbin magazines are equivalent to Lemmy communities in just about every way except their name.
ActivityPub is an information-sharing protocol: basically a well-defined set of rules that multiple pieces of software can adopt if they want to share information with each other programmatically.
Any platform that is built on ActivityPub can theoretically communicate with any other platform built on ActivityPub, although they don't necessarily have to do that in all cases if they don't want to.
As a lemmy user, you should (assuming everything is working correctly) be able to follow any magazine on Kbin exactly as if it was a community on Lemmy, so no need for FOMO. Also, there's no reason why you can't have one account on a Lemmy instance and another on a Kbin instance at the same time.
So is it a Lemmy instance, like Beehaw?
No. It's a different technology - in the same way that Mastadon is a different technology.
However, Kbin federates with Lemmy - so users can engage in each other's posts.
So is Kbin similar to Lemmy (by being Reddit-like), but distinct like Mastadon (which is Twitter-like)?
Kbin does both.
There are communities (they use the word 'magazines') which works very similarly to Reddit. And also, there is a Microblogging feature, which works very similar to Twitter.
However I have some FOMO about Kbin because I don’t understand how it all works together.
It doesn't cost you anything to sign up for, so give it a try.
Personally, I never cared about Twitter-like microblogging - so I'm okay with keeping just a Lemmy account.
I have been exploring Kbin a little bit and can answer some questions.
ActivityPub is a protocol for sharing content. That content can be of multiple types like posts, threads, blogs, videos, microblogs, etc (I forgot the exact names of those types so the names might be off). On Lemmy we have communities, which are comparable to subreddits, that are hubs for ActivityPub content of the thread type. Mastodon is build for microblogs, which are similar to tweets.
Kbin is indeed similar to Lemmy, as it also runs on ActivityPub content, but apart from having communities (which they call magazines), you can also post and read microblogs there.
So if you like Lemmy but you're also on Mastodon or are interested in that, maybe Kbin is more suitable for you.
Kbin.social is federating with lemmy rn, that's how I see your comment.
Yes. It's also similar enough that the "magazines" of kbin are close enough to "communities" on lemmy, that they translate quite well. Lots of people on kbin subscribe to lemmy communities, and vice versa.
Both pool their content fairly well, so you can pick which you like better, and still access most of the same stuff.
The more I read about the Fediverse, the more I try to relate it to Reddit. I guess the Fediverse is like Reddit, but each subreddit is self-hosted. And you can subscribe to all the self-hosted subreddits that you want, from within the subreddit you created your user in.
Whenever I am directed to kbin I get a website with a feed and then the status has me not logged in … so it makes it appear as though I need a login to use this… the way people are talking on here though im led to believe you just subscribe and it’s almost seamless… sooo what am I missing ??? How do you subscribe to magazines etc with Lemmy ? It’s currently not very intuitive.
Kbin user here so my only answer is... switch to Kbin? From here, everything is integrated pretty seamlessly. Lemmy communities show up in the search results with Kbin magazines, and posts from across the fediverse show up in my feed interchangeably.
It can be seamless. Unfortunately neither lemmy nor kbin translate links that would take you off-instance into links that don't. So we have to link things correctly manually.
Some links will take you outside your instance, and show you content directly on the home instance of that content, this is what's happening when you "stop being logged in". The fediverse rainbow icon also does this, its a button for going to the "original" of any given comment or post. But as you noticed, this means your account wont work.
Some users don't yet know how to correctly link things so they open from the "local instance", meaning the link directs your instance to look at the content from another instance, rather than go to that instance directly. Doing this keeps you on your instance, letting you interact with that content using your account.
The way to do this is with relative links, like this one that leads to the Reddit migration kbin page, but inside your lemmy instance. That link will work for others on other instances, too. It will open that kbin page, but never take a user "outside" their instance. Seamless.
Relative links only work if your instance already knows about what it's linking to, tho. In those cases the search method has to be used. Also lemmy relative links do not work on kbin, and vice versa. They are also borked in Jerboa, atm.
Accessing the content of other lemmy instances using the search method, is fairly simple, you use the
[email protected]format, which you post into search on your home instance, this triggers your server actually connecting to the outside instance to go get that content since it hasn't already.This method does not work for kbin magazines. Instead of the
[email protected]text, you need to paste the full kbin magazine url into search, to get the same thing.So when a link takes you somewhere you aren't logged in, try copying that link into search instead of opening it. Also note that this is ALSO borked in Jerboa.
Yes basically, it's another content aggregator and blogging platform, it shares a lot of visual and structural simularities with reddit, that connects to the fediverse like Lemmy. I prefer it for a few reasons over Lemmy but number one is I find its UI much more appealing.
Yep. The interface is pretty similar to Reddit, making a transition relatively easy and also feels familiar.
It looks to be another federated instance that seems to be compatible with other Lemmy instances.
Yeah, it's another platform, heavily inspired by wykop.pl, which combines reddit-like link aggregation and twitter-like Mikroblog
This should give you an overview: https://kbin.social/about
Yes it is, more in common with Lemmy but also has some Mastodon features.
"Microblogs" are afaik Mastodon threads / toots.
lemmy but better, you can see lemmy content from kbin too! greetings from kbin!
What makes KBin better?
Don't forget you can also see and interact with Mastodon tweets (toots?) in kbin as well.
One problem with kbin is that the whole federation of instances thing didn't work so well there. It seems all the users and all the content is one one server: kbin.social.
This is concerning since it introduces a single point of failure.
There are other instances like kilioa.org andothers I can't remember but kbin.social is absolutely the 'flagship' so to speak with over 40k users. They are trying to encourage more to go to the others.
I got on kbin.social since I didn't know a ton about all this and figured things would go easier on the 'main' instance.
Ernest did get the server upgraded and federation fixed and all that. He's got a post about it on @kbinmeta
No, federation was temporary disabled to make the server survive the huge influx of new people.
Check https://kbin.social/ and you see plenty of content from Lemmy instances.
