Will it be a never ending war?

I don't know how the government will be able to effectively ban E2EE and honestly I want to see them try

100%? Impossible. But they can effectively ban it.

Pass a law that makes any US company, or company doing business in the US, not allowed to host E2EE-enabled apps. This now bans them from the App Store and Play Store. 99% of users won't find or choose to side-load for android users. Then they can make E2EE actually illegal to distribute in the US. They'll almost never bother going after individuals, but this effectively makes hosting a US-based website unable to distribute E2EE programs. So people will need to use foreign sites. Which the US can force ISPs to block via a whack-a-mole on individual sites.

This isn't very likely, but hell Congress was decently close to banning TikTok for no real reason so who knows?
- It seems like the great firewall in china, really scary times for the freedom of the web
- https://mashable.com/article/montana-tiktok-ban-what-to-know
  
  Montana's GOP didn't get the memo that it's a stupid idea.
- I'm confused though. Don't banking/ finance apps require E2EE ?
  
  Also Password Managers, VPNs? Do these apps not need E2EE by default?
its like banning math
Tories are just trying to kick up as much shit as possible before they're kicked out so they can blame the next party for the fallout.
- Seems like something politicians who have not touched a computer would try to pass
- You really think things will be different if you're under a different colored heel? 🤣

What's cloudflare done?

Cloudflare has human checks before you can access some sites. Some apps and screenreaders no longer work with those sites.
- Not only apps and screenreaders. Some legit browsers too.
  
  I have a browser that basically does not let the website know what or who it is ( user agent is a random number ) and cloudflare just flat out refuses me from viewing websites.
  
  Fine cloudflare hosted website, keep your secrets!
They're all uppity that to use cloudflare proxy they have to terminate the ssl connection there. So technically cloudflare can sniff all the traffic. But that's kind of the point of WAFs and Reverse Proxies.

I would argue that the sheer amount of data throughput that Cloudflare has, you'd have to really be on a list to be monitored... and they certainly cannot just log all data willy nilly.
- I suppose this one is quite simple. How can they cache, if they don't MitM the connection? I don't think it would be technically possible. If you want the cache/CDN you just need to use a company you trust. If you don't trust them then you don't get the cache/CDN.
- I think my issue with cloudflare is not that I think they will compromise my data through their proxy to steal my passwords or go through my data, but that it seems quite likely given their ubiquity that the three letter agencies or similar have backdoor.
  
  It's similar with say Google, i.e. I probably trust cybersecurity at Google more than at bitwarden. Unfortunately Google mines the shit out of my data (shitty but not dangerous) and will probably hand over stuff to some authoritarian government if they asked for it (physically dangerous).
- You can also turn off all the features with a single click and Cloudflare will just be your nameserver.
No high-profile cases yet, but some people are already concerned: https://crimeflare.eu.org/
- Doesn't load, maybe they need Cloudflare lol (i'm joking don't send me to internet hell) Wayback doesn't seem to work with it either
- I might be missing something but the document seems to be comparing Cloudflare to the great firewall of China and calling them criminal because of things they could potentially do?
- Only works on http, and just redirects to https://0xacab.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/blob/master/README.md
- Site appears to be down. What is this for?

Guess I'll just have to touch grass.

Google, try pulling data from me being at the park when my phone gets left at home!

Facial recognition go brrr
- I knew I kept the glasses and mustache disguise for something
Amazon Ring cameras: Hello
They'll getcha through the parking lot camera, and the traffic cameras on your way there

What about a fully encrypted peer to peer web?

Let's go Veilid!
- Yeah I cheer on this one!
  
  On the other hand I got a different protocol (& implementation up and running) that can be used right away. It's like IPFS but easy to "install" (a double click and a port forward is all that's needed), you are also in control of your data and of course you can change the data without changing the link.
  
  Don't get me wrong, IPFS paved the road. But today we have better ways to do things.
Like freenet?

It's the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny

~~Good~~ Bad guys, Bad guys and explosions; as far's the eye can see.

Great stuff but isnt this nsfw? Should we be seeing a tag?