Lemmy.world officially has 33k users! 3000 users away from becoming the #1 lemmy instance.
Lemmy.world officially has 33k users! 3000 users away from becoming the #1 lemmy instance.
The user count at the moment of this post stands at 33279 and continues to grow!
To take the #1 spot from lemmy.ml (36185 users and no longer growing), lemmy.world just needs about 3000 new users. Given the current growth rate, that should only be another day or two.
We’re building something here! Kudos to lemmy.world admin @[email protected] for all of his hard work keeping this site running smoothly.
To track lemmy’s growth: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list
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As a Kbin user I went to take a look at Kbin, it's about 40k users in all. Looks like all in there'll be more than 100k users.
The monthly stats for users for both Kbin and Lemmy are encouraging, the numbers really spiked in June. I hope this continues for a while yet.
There will be another spike on July 1st IMO, that's when reddit 3rd party apps will stop working, after that things should settle, it's possible some people will go back to reddit but things should normalize after that.
Unless some other big corp decides to sh*it on their users like reddit is doing lol.
but things should normalize after that.
There's a greater likelihood that the content creators are the ones moving. Most of the reddit power users likely used third party apps. Most of the reddit power users are also the ones who wrote most of the comments worth reading.
So if on june 1 most of the reddit power users flee, reddit's enshitification will have reached a terminal stage. Eventually, reddit will stop having things worth reading, and the lurkers will all move over.
I think we're in for a long decline of reddit a la facebook. However unlike facebook, there isn't a market of old people/foreign markets that can fill their user numbers.
During the protest I've seen several people saying they didn't even know 3rd party apps existed, I believe we seriously underestimate the amount of people who don't care about anything as long as they get their daily "dose" of memes.
Many power users have moved already, more will follow, but the masses? Reddit is infested with reposting bots but most people don't even notice, they have so much content in there that it will last them for years, even if all content creators left, not to mention AI.
That's not to say reddit will never die, but I believe it'll take a much longer time than we think.
I think that the truth is in the middle. It won't be quick, but people will slowly notice the quality of posts decreasing and no longer being interesting. Once that happens, people will start complaining, and then leaving. If they'll cone here...and if we WANT them to come here... isn't clear, but I think they'll start leaving.
I honestly don't care. If we make this thing here work, let the bots have reddit. As long as the old discussions aren't deleted, it can be tiktok 2 for all I care (if this here growth into what it seems to grow into).
So for me, while I knew of the 3PAs I didn't start using them until the uproar. And when I did switch, I was like "how the hell did I stay on the official app for so long!"
I'm noticing that in some of the communities I followed on Reddit that have moved to Lemmy. It's a number of the big-name posters who really kept the community active who've moved, and the others are trickling in after them...
reddit is going to continue to decline. The fediverse sites/subs already have a healthy, and growing number of users. Just continue focusing on making these communities better and more people will organically continue to transition over
What really hurts so much about this is that Reddit is effectively a modern Alexandrian Library, and it's burning. There's so much content there that's vitally important and it could all go up in smoke. Anybody know any full archival projects?
I know r/DataHoarder is working hard for it, dunno where they are storing all the data tho.
Many of datahoarders initiatives are pointless at best. Hoarding reddits data across a thousand personal hard drives that are inaccessible to anyone else is of extremely limited value. I've watched them perform the same action over and over, but most of the time that data never ends up in a new home. It just rots at someone's house.
I think the biggest reddit archive initiative is led by ArchiveTeam Warrior and the data after processing ends up being accessible on Internet Archive. I've seen this initiative posted on DataHoarder two weeks ago.
Check out lemmit.online instance. Let's you request subreddits and it automatically copies them to a lemmy community
I agree, I know people irl who will be quitting on the 1st once they can't use Apollo.
I don't think reddit will ever actually die. I'll probably still even check it for information I need if it's a community that didn't move since I have a few eSports I follow and people post tournament threads on Reddit and no where else. But hoping that people move over still. Unfortunately it's a sub that's been re-opened and lots of users aren't even "redditors". A lot are on Reddit for the specific topic :/
I don't think Reddit will go through a dramatic death as Digg did. Digg v4, as many old timers remember, happened in a different era with a different mix of users.
Reddit will slowly become what their management always wanted it to become: a bastard child of facebook. Some may stay because of habit, some simply won't care, it's all the casual crowd Spez is betting on.
That also means it will die a slow death where big flashy subs will be inundated with recycled memes and botspam despite the effort of some with good intentions that still hang into that platform.
If any those become disillusioned and look for another place, Lemmy/Kbin can become that second home.
Create the community you want. Make the tournament posts.
I think the biggest issue to user growth will be getting the word out that this place exists. Like a lot of people, I'm trying to find a more ethical alternative to Reddit and had no idea kbin was a thing.
I never heard of lemmy and kbin either before 2-3 weeks ago, yet here I am. Info about alternatives has been plastered everywhere on reddit since then, really hard to not see them.
I have little understanding of the technical details of Lemmy, but I'm having a hard time understanding how it can scale. How do you build something like /r/funny with 40 million subscribers when the biggest Lemmy instance seems to be suffering at 30k users?
As far as I can see while users can subscribe to communities on different instances, communities themselves are locked to a single instance. How could a multi million strong community grow here?
First of all, as a software engineer I'm — well, "impressed" is the wrong word because I remember how efficient software used to be in the '90s — I'm "satisfied" with how well Lemmy instances are scaling. Even the largest instances are running on single, fairly-small servers.
Keep in mind that this is all alpha software and not only likely very unoptimized but also pretty buggy, so the surprisingly few problems there have been are more likely due to that than to real issues of scale.
Second, and more importantly, remember that having really big instances is "doing it wrong" to begin with. The intended design of Lemmy (and Fediverse services in general) is to have a whole lot of small instances, not a few big ones.
I guess my question is that you can't really control if a community grows to be huge or not. You can control who can create an account your instance, but unless you defederate, what happens if 20 million accounts subscribe to a single community? How is that load handled? Does it just collapse the entire instance under it's weight? Or is the fediverse just inherently built to stifle community growth past a certain scale?
I would hope that an instance/magazine that can't handle 20m users will have some sort of manual approval or other filter like Beehaw does. Beehaw defederated because they needed to breathe. Same with any other instance that begins to near its limit.
I was more referring about impacts of non-local users browsing communities on other instances. Which instance handles that load? If I browse lemmy.ml communities on my lemmy.world account am I impacting lemmy.world or lemmy.ml? What happens when all 35k lemmy.world users browse a lemmy.ml community because it's the most popular one? Does lemmy.ml need to support all their own users + any non-local visitors?
That's why I mentioned Beehaw. Beehaw defederated for this reason.
Users can view and post to content on communities across instances, as long as the instances federate with each other. That doesn't solve the separate issue of the individual instances being able to handle heavy traffic loads though.
It seems that Kbin is also the better entry point for most former reddit users because even if it has different instances too, it's not that spread out like Lemmy is so new users have less to worry about and can discover the Fediverse more as they go
Yep, super encouraging to see kbin.social’s growth as well!
kbin.social is 36 258 ATM, more than any Lemmy server.
I'm trying to like kbin, but it's just kludgy in all the wrong places and I unreasonably hate the fact that they decided to call them "Magazines". Eww.
To be fair it is still actively being improved.
In just the week or less I've been here I've noticed a couple of issues get fixed (example: squished thumbnails) and others that are planned to be fixed.
It'll be interesting to watch it develop.
Oh sure, same with Lemmy, Mastodon, etc. the devs are continually working on improving these Fediverse platforms. As said, I want to like kbin but it's just not there yet for me.
ernest is working really hard from what I can tell, and I don't think there are many other devs. On my end I'll be patient and see what changes will come.
And kbin.social is like 95% of kbin as a whole.
Lemmy as a whole has 181k users, kbin has 42k.
Kbin.social has less than 100 more users than Lemmy.ml. Lemmy.world will very likely pass both of them within a day or so.
The best part is there will be multiple major instances. That's excellent news.
Honestly: how do I display a feed of only the posts in subscribed "magazines"? I get random posts from random places in the fediverse.
Go to the
/subpath on the server, e.g. https://kbin.social/sub.To avoid having to type that in each time, you can enable a top-bar that has a link to "Subscribed", among others: click the gear on the right, and next to "Show top bar", select "Yes".
Maybe there's an easier way to manage this, but I haven't found it.
Maybe there’s an easier way to manage this, but I haven’t found it.
I'm keeping my kbin.social account for now but the approach to usability is not something that inspires confidence in me...
In addition to the other suggestions, I'd recommend Jerboa for Lemmy if you're on android. I feel like the UI is a little more user friendly and streamlined than the mobile site.
Are there other good alternatives? It is very bare bones and a lot of links to communities or users just closes the app.
This will be fixed in the next update.. not sure on the release schedule though.
I got tired of waiting and just built it from source
Are there other good alternatives? It is very bare bones and a lot of links to communities or users just closes the app.
Someone is claiming to port Slide from Reddit to Lemmy: https://github.com/bqv/slide
So far no actual Lemmy-related code but changes to the Readme file to ask for money. Maybe keep that on the radar but don't send money until they actually produce an initial Lemmy port and it's clear it's not a lie to make money.
You can switch between Subscribed, Moderated, Favourites and All if you hover over the second button from the right, the one right next to your username.
You can also set the default to showing Subscribed in the settings, so instead you go to kbin.social/all
You can switch between Subscribed, Moderated, Favourites and All if you hover over the second button from the right, the one right next to your username.
Holy shit, that's dumb. Yeah, Lemmy also defaults to all but switching the view is actually easy to discover (changing the default is also buried in the settings for whatever reason).
I find the appearance of default kbin more inviting but it's issues like these that show that kbin prioritizes looks over usability. Also kbin in written in PHP which has a very bad security track record. Lemmy is written in Rust which has a good security track record.
I'm not sure how that's dumb; it was among the first things I found. The only dumb thing I found was that notifications are off by default (why?).