Buy European @feddit.uk Wrongdoer1 @lemm.ee 3d ago

Tech sovereignty is possible!

Degoogle + BuyFromEU + Privacy: I'd like to share about my smartphone apps replacement journey:

WhatsApp -> Olvid

Gmail -> Mailo

Reddit -> Lemmy

Play store -> Aurora store (no account needed)

Google (browser and search engine) -> Qwant

Google maps -> Here Wego

Gboard -> Heliboard

All trails -> Komoot

ChatGPT -> LeChat

Any recommendation to replace the following?

Google Drive,
Google photo,
Apple wallet (I'd like an alternative to pay with my phone)

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I switched from DuckDuckGo to Qwant a week ago and so far I'm happy with it. I'm in the US and it does a great job returning search results that are relevant to me here, even though it's intended for people in Europe.

I also switched from Gmail to Posteo, ChatGPT to Le Chat and Firefox to Waterfox.

I plan to replace Google Drive with Nextcloud, sometime in the next few months when I have the time to set it up.

Google Maps will be the hardest to replace. I've tried 8 or so competitors and they all pale in comparison.
Olvid

That looks very closed-source, even though it's French. How did you decide to pick that?
- I don't understand it either. Buying european is important, but we should stop recommending weird unknown messaging apps. Signal, although US made, had multiple audits, is open source, vetted and secure. Just because a product is from europe we shouldn't recommend it. Especially if it gives a false sense of security and privacy.
  
  Olvid has been proven secure, used by French president, governement members and many company executives.
- Their encryption system user to user which is the most robust.
  
  Total anonymity (no phone number to give unlike all their competitors.
  
  I tried it with my friends and family and we likes the app.
  
  no phone number to give unlike all their competitors.
  
  SimpleX would like a word.
Tech sovereignty is possible!

Agreed!

I'll also share mine.

Gmail -> Tuta
Reddit -> Lemmy
Google -> SearXNG (several search engines)
Google Maps -> Organic Maps
Gboard -> FUTO Keyboard
ChatGPT -> LeChat
Google Drive -> Syncthing + Filen.io
Google Photos -> Filen.io (I'll be switching to Immich + Syncthing soon-ish) + Fossify Gallery
Google Wallet -> MBWay (obviously this doesn't work if you're not in Portugal)
Uber -> Bolt
Play Store -> Obtainium

Still working on the rest.

Notes:
I'll be switching off Filen.io soon and just use Syncthing. Nothing wrong with Filen.io (it's really good, as a matter of fact), but I just don't really need it with my setup. I was trying to replace Google Drive 1-to-1, but turns out Syncthing is just strictly better, for my use-case. I also created an Infomaniak Mail account, and it works great; I just prefer Tuta.
- Dear, thank you so much for sharing your experience! Comparing yours and mine It feels not only we have solutions but we also have choice among several options!
  
  I'll look at what you're proposing for cloud service and play store replacement! Also I haven't heard of SearXNG before..!
Magic Earth is also a nice navigation alternative.
- Thanks, I'll give it a try!
Google Drive

I use ViOffice, a Nextcloud based, privacy focussed cloud service from Germany for 7€/month
I recommend f droid as a source for foss apps. Aves is a well made photo gallery app. Don't forget that the most basic apps on your phone are also google and use trackers. There are foss versions of the phone, contacts, messages, keyboard, launcher, camera, notes apps and whatever else. The best thing you can do without moving to a different OS is get Canta and uninstall everything that's not needed (the app explains everything you need to know) and then replace it with f droid apps.
- Thanks for mentionning, you're xompletely righ although that is a bit extreme for most people caring for their privacy but not to that extant.
  
  As an alternative I block these stock apps for sending out my data using Rethink DNS.
  
  It takes a bit of effort if you've never done it but it's actually quite straightforward. Canta works without rooting your phone so it's literally just those few steps I mentioned. But ultimately you're right. Every step away from google is a step in the right direction and the best thing is to just start somewhere.
Jottacloud for Google Photo
Google Drive -> Proton Drive

Google Photo -> Proton Drive (or Ente Photos if you want something dedicated)

Apple Wallet might be hard to replace for now because of Apple's anticompetitive practices. However, very recently the EU has tried forcing them to open this up, so it might change in the not too distant future.
Did you change your OS?
- Hi I did not because I have a neurological condition that make any use of regular LCD or OLED screen quite painful for me, so I need to have a special phone using Eink technology with an OS developed for that purpose.
I replaced google drive with koofr. Very happy so far! Still unsure what I'm doing about Google wallet/Google pay...

How are Heliboard and Here Wego?
- Heliboard is awesome. FOSS, very customizable, no telemetry, and all the keyboard tools you can think of.
  
  Swiping is still a hard to install binary blob?
- I also use Here WeGo, for me it’s really good for navigation, even for public transport or bicycle. But it’s really limited for location search, i noticed that when several places have the same name it doesn’t really sort them intuitively in the search results. Also for restaurants search i still rely it Google Maps for reviews and opening hours
  
  I used it for navigation by bike only and it's a great app!
  
  Indeed there might be some places missing, and yesterday I had to type the full name of the restaurant I was looking for to find it - but it was there in the end.
What about OSMand as navigation? Are they based in EU?
Always missing an alternative to Slack. This is getting ridiculous.
- Have you considered Zulip?
  
  Zulip is the same as Mattermost, open source but still American. I am not able to check source code, so I need it made by people I have common incentives with.
  
  Whaller is closed source, but it is French and aimed at institutions which require high levels of security.
- I was considering my personal phone only as I don't have the hand on what my company uses but I'm sure there are some alternatives to Slack and Microsoft Teams. I only know about https://whaller.com/en but I'm sure there are others.
  
  I like the idea of Whaller. But I would also love to have a non-US-developed open source solution (thinking about Mattermost).
If tech for you means software, then yes, you can decouple from global supply chains with relative ease.

If, however, you look into some other areas of tech a different picture emerges. Global dependencies especially in semiconductors are much deeper. Products built from such components are the same. Decoupling in those domains would be significantly more difficult.
- I feel you but although we're not chip producers, we have some of the key players such as ASML in NL, clearly they're just the main player in that field.

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