Linus responds to Hellwig - "the pull request you objected to DID NOT TOUCH THE DMA LAYER AT ALL... if you as a maintainer feel that you control who or what can use your code, YOU ARE WRONG."
Linus responds to Hellwig - "the pull request you objected to DID NOT TOUCH THE DMA LAYER AT ALL... if you as a maintainer feel that you control who or what can use your code, YOU ARE WRONG."
Hellwig is the maintainer of the DMA subsystem. Hellwig previously blocked rust bindings for DMA code, which in part resulted in Hector Martin from stepping down as a kernel maintainer and eventually Asahi Linux as a whole.
You know Linus has gotten a ton of shit over the years for being a temperamental asshole, but at this point I kinda feel for him.
Starting in 2014, the dude has made a genuine attempt to be better. However the open source world is full of petty drama that makes it hard to keep your cool.
Don't know about anyone else, but I'm very pleased to see Linus talking like this. I wish more of my relationships both professional and personal could operate with this level of straightforwardness.
Have... Had you not heard any Linus rant before this? This is pretty tame.
Precisely my point.
If anyone spoke to me like that at work, I would quit. Which is exactly what has happened.
Really? I feel the opposite. I thought Linus was very clear in calling out this maintainer’s bs, and I’d think it’s fair if I’m in the receiving end. I did something unprofessional: essentially tried sabotaging others while hiding behind a lie, that I “don’t care” about something while actually hating it.
Getting called out is not the end of a work relationship. We’re all flawed, and we might not notice our own problems and think we’re doing fine, and such callouts are good for our own development, both as a person and professionally.
But if you’re thin-skinned and think you’re better than others and so you won’t take criticisms from others, welp, can’t help ya there. I’d suggest therapy though.
Why no link?
And no, I am not looking for yes-men, and I like it when you call me out on my bullshit. I say some stupid things at times, there needs to be people who just stand up to me and tell me I'm full of shit.
But now I'm calling you out on YOURS.
Finally!!! Hope this stops this nonsensical drama. Damn.
can someone fill me in with a tldr of what's going on lately? I know there's some contention in the Linux community about rust, I've seen it mentioned here and there, but what's the actual story with all this.
Not everyone wants Rust in the kernel. Some don't want it because mixing programming languages increases complexity, while other simply don't like Rust. Hellwig says he's the former.
As the DMA maintainer, he said he would block Rust for that reason. So the effort of upstreaming Rust for Linux stalled. There was uproar in the Rust community, and notably, Asahi Linux leader Hector Martin stepped in, complained about the maintainer on social media, calling for him to be removed.
Linus did not like Hector Martin doing this, so he yelled at him on the mailing list. Hector Martin decided to step down from upstreaming work to the kernel because of this. And later he stepped away from Asahi Linux as a whole for various other reasons.
Now Linus is making it clear that he will merge Rust for Linux work whether other Linux maintainers like it or not.
It's almost as if Linus previously spoke without knowing jack shit about what had actually happened. No wonder people are losing faith in these idiots.
Linux is going to implode because they have zero level-headed people involved.
They don't have to be level-headed, they just need to be able to work through issues. Which is happening.
It's better for people who work together to say what's on their mind while having respect for each other, than smiling nicely and thinking badly of each other.
They don't have to be level-headed, they just need to be able to work through issues. Which is happening.
You think the founder of the project abandoning everything he's built is "working through the issues"?
It's better for people who work together to say what's on their mind while having respect for each other, than smiling nicely and thinking badly of each other.
You can say what's on your mind without being disrespectful.
Things are better when people are able to speak openly about issues and get shit done.
The meetings I hate the most are with people who'll spin everything with hollow platitudes.
There exists a middleground. You can speak openly without platitudes and without being disrespectful.
From what I have read, just a decade or so back the LKML was far more toxic (though now the times have also changed).