What the fuck is going on with 196/onehundredninetysix?
What the fuck is going on with 196/onehundredninetysix?
I know there was some schism and moving of instances, but beyond that I can’t deduce what happened/is happening.
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I block most meme based communities because they overpower the rest of what I like, but I've been picking up bits of the events from context.
Does this center around the one individual using, shall we say, a very distinct set of pronouns that a lot of people took issue with?
I kind of enjoyed that person in a social commentary way, but I can see why people more directly effected by pronoun usage may have taken issue and blahaj changing their rules due to it, but if that is what is causing this big schism, that's a pretty wild thing that all is this is the result. I'm interested in the opinions on both sides, but it's one of these things I'm afraid to ask due to polarization like this. I have genuine curiosity but I can totally see how someone could trollishly go after the same info.
It's a broader disagreement that's been simmering for a while. The 196 mods say that the Drag controversy is unrelated, as Dragonfucker had been banned from 196 long before for unrelated reasons.
That's not what they were saying when Ada said neopronouns aren't trolling. This thing they're saying now seems like a PR line to avoid getting the community outright taken by Ada.
At present, drag is banned from 196 for advocating violence against Nazis, but at the time, the ban was for "trolling" after making several posts in support of neopronouns.
The 196 mods say that the Drag controversy is unrelated, as Dragonfucker had been banned from 196 long before for unrelated reasons.
Although...this is some sort of spat relating to pronouns, and as I recall, isn't that guy's thing referring to himself using the third person?
The spat is unrelated to pronouns or neopronouns, according to the 196 mods. It has to do with the Blahaj admins and the 196 mods disagreeing on moderation behavior for the community, and the 196 mods not wanting to have their own moderation decisions reversed or second-guessed by admins if there wasn't a rule violation in how the 196 mods handled moderation.
Thanks for these responses. I hope everyone reaches a satisfactory resolution to this. I don't like to see communities or instances infighting, but I suppose it's just part of us growing as a platform.
Home brew drama is driving genuine engagement...
Let them fight, bring some popcorn!
At the end of the day, they ain't leaving fedi so it is win win
I mean, it has drug me into it despite me having them hidden in my feed, so it's effective.
Not the type of things I usually look for, but I know many do enjoy it.
part of us growing as a platform.
Unfortunately, we're not even growing
I suppose that's dependent on what you want to look at. I still find the platform wholly engaging, and overall more diverse, though I feel the front page has become a bit dominated by polarizing opinions, but we do feel to be on a crappy slice of our timeline right now, so I can't totally fault people for that.
This particular scenario is a little inappropriate to say this is us maturing as a platform, but it's definitely...a thing that is happening...
Then you were right 🙂
Why are you being so vague about what the disagreement was?
As I understand it, it wasn't a singular disagreement, but a number of incidents in which, as I said, the 196 mods didn't want to have their own moderation decisions reversed or second-guessed if 196's ruleset was in compliance with the requirements of the instance.
Ah. Well, that seems like a shitty excuse. They’re public servants, they chose this role, they should just be made to deal with that. If they don’t want to have to deal with rules preventing them from abusing their fellow users, they shouldn’t be mods and should just spend their free time playing video games instead. They remind me of cop characters on police procedural tv shows that are mad that liberal politicians won’t let them commit brutality against and trample all over the civil rights of the citizens they’re supposed to be protecting
I’m also going to be completely blunt, I don’t believe you that having to respect the choice of pronouns of transgender users isn’t the issue for them. I think you’re lying through your teeth to cover for them.
If they don’t want to have to deal with rules preventing them from abusing their fellow users
That's... not at all what I said.
I’m also going to be completely blunt, I don’t believe you that having to respect the choice of pronouns of transgender users isn’t the issue. I think you’re lying to cover for them.
I'm lying to cover for the trans folk on the mod team saying that they will continue to respect neopronouns and enforce rules against misgendering on the .world comm.
Uh.
Okay.
Oh, I know. I’m just accurately depicting what those mods are ACTUALLY mad about.
Not being a transphobe is really simple. Someone tells you “Hello, nice to meet you! I identify as ____, my pronouns are /.” If you respect their self-identity and chosen pronouns, then congratulations, you’re not a transphobe! You all failed this test. You all failed it hard. There’s been one transgender individual in this entire drama. Dragon Rider. Dragon Rider has been repeatedly been referred to as a guy and with the pronouns he/him, despite constantly stressing that drag is non-binary and uses drag/dragself pronouns. Including val, someone you did not correct in this very conversation. Drag has been called a troll for defending dragself for months on end now. If I was one of the trans people your side of this argument was supposedly trying to protect, I would be very scared for my safety on this website.
This you?
I said They weren’t a troll because they genuinely believed what they believe. Those were two entirely separate statements, and two entirely different bad things to be. Please do listen to people when they’re talking to you, if nothing else than to avoid simple blunders like this
You misgendered “drag” twice in this comment. Hmmm…
Right, but, uh, weren't you specifically one of the people who Ada
bannedactioned even though the 196 mods didn't want youbannedactioned, because you said on 196 that a nonbinary gender identity wasn't valid? Which is an instance rules violation and not the mods' decision on whether to action?The story you're telling seems very relevant to pronouns and gender if your personal history is included.
You know damn well it has nothing to do with pronouns. It’s about your abuse of them. You’re just making the “attack helicopter” argument, but in a way that’s subtle enough to be believable by those gullible enough to be taken advantage of.
You’ve been banned from several instances for trolling, and finally found one that buys into it- thus creating even more of that savory drama for yourself.
Right, but, uh, weren’t you specifically one of the people who Ada banned even though the 196 mods didn’t want you banned, because you said on 196 that a nonbinary gender identity wasn’t valid?
No, but nice try. Very typical of your brand of trolling.
You're right, drag misremembered there being a ban. It was actually just post locks and comment removals by Ada when you said that queerphobic stuff the mods wouldn't remove.
Thank you for the correction, drag is sorry for the mistake. Together, we're getting to the truth.
The locked post isn't even on Blahaj. The removed comment, that I was leaving because of disagreements with the admins but acknowledged their right to make such decisions, was hilariously petty in the vein of Ada removing posts (and handing out bans) for people saying things like "Dragons aren't real". Nor am I at any point defended by the 196 mods.
You very deliberately said you don't acknowledge drag's gender, and in the same comment acknowledged that your view isn't welcome on Blahaj. How is it petty for an admin to enforce the rules you knew and admitted you were breaking?
"I acknowledge that the recent position of the admins means I am no longer welcome here, and will thus be leaving. I wish them all the best."
"How DARE you say that out loud? Removed"
That user claims they are enunciating neopronouns, but yes, the inconsistent third person syntax fucks it all up
Drag isn't a man, guy, or dude, and doesn't use he/him.
sounds like me. I don't specifically hate memes but like new ones pop up constantly and some seem to be generated just so an individual can throw things up. dank ass, memeorama, funny home of the fun, just all over the place. I actually just blocked 196 a bit ago because I was loathe since I consider it a bit more historically legit but man I want like less than 1% to be memes.
It's just too much. Even the ones I find funny, there is just too much, and with so many communities and cross posting they multiply. And things like the Star Trek instance, I've seen some episodes and some of the movies, but I'm not into Trek so much I need a steady stream of that every day!
I like when people reference memes in response to something I post and I can look up whatever it is on Know Your Meme and enjoy it. That's probably not how memes are exactly meant to be enjoyed, but it's how I can appreciate most of them. Maybe a little too Abe Simpson yells at cloud, but I'm allowed to operate how I want! 😇
I agree here to. I mostly like something that has discourse happening and if someones discourse is a relevant meme then thats fine. Although if everyones discourse was meme it would be like ugh. Its best when used sparringly.
Exactly, I appreciate them as a condiment, not a main dish!
oh thats a perfect analogy. I might even take it higher because I say something like this with bacon and cheese. Both are incredible. Fabulous. I have and can eat them straight, but I mostly like them on things. Bacon cheeseburger, bacon wrapped X, Cheese X.
Stop, you're making me hungry! 🤤
Blahaj didn't change its rules. Misgendering isn't allowed on Blahaj, it never was, and it never will be. Blahaj is founded on values of empathy and tolerance. Respecting neopronoun users is nothing new to the queer community, no matter how new it is to the 196 mods.
Thanks for the clarification that it was an enforcement rather than a change. I feel that is significant to the story.
I still believe that it isn't trolling, as you/drag are far too consistent and what you/drag posts is really just regular, responsible, non-inflammatory stuff, at least what of it I've come across, though I avoid most edgier posts in general.
If people don't like it, they have numerous options to ignore or avoid the posts and comments, I don't see why so many have to actively trash what guidelines you've/drag have asked people to respect.
As a CIS/het, I will freely admit I don't know enough about the issues to judge if this is helpful or hurtful to the non-binary community as a whole, but until I see you/drag do something rude, I have no complaints about giving you what consideration you ask for, as you/drag have been nothing but respectful to me. It doesn't make me feel like any other non-binary people are a joke or anything like that. Different things make different people happy, and if what I've read from your comments has all been genuine, your/drag's life isn't the easiest, and if me be respectful of some word choices can make life not worse, it's the least I can do.
Thank you very much. Those are some very kind words.
I come on here to escape the shittiness of real life and to be positive. It doesn't matter to me who or what anyone here wants to be, as long as they're here being cool with everyone else. Online is built for freedom, escapism, and expression of all kinds, and I don't like seeing people step on that. For those of us that can appreciate the unique color you bring, I love it as an expression of that freedom.
People here will play as a DND character, a LARPer, study HEMA, or treat the Tolkien universe as a pseudo-reality, and no one will bat an eye, but someone wants to be called a dragon out of established content and all of a sudden we have to crush them? It doesn't make sense to me. Again, they can ignore you, or filter you out, they don't need to throw insults when they see drag pop up. I don't get what that accomplishes.
I don't want to keep going with this here, as it appears I unintentionally dragged you/drag into something that drag isn't directly involved in, so apologies for that, but I'm still pro-drag based on my personal experience. This might make me seem foolish to some, but what you are doing fits in my vision of online freedom is with no issues.
Nice comment
I mean, most of us came here because we didn't want people to tell us what we could or couldn't do other places.
Why do people want to tell this person they can't be a
dinosaurdragon if it isn't hurting anything?
Again, read drag's comments and not the pronouns of they bother you, and they are quite typical. If people didn't go on the offensive against them, they wouldn't particularly stand out from most others' comments. And that's not to say I feel drag is the one that needs to knock it off, I feel it's a hang up on the receiver's end of things.
You won't find me insulting anyone here because while there are people here I'm not fans of, it's not my place to tell them to get lost. I ignore them, or block them if it's too much to ignore.