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I try to be mindful of my Lemmy image/persona since I try to be supportive and educational here. I don't have a problem with sharing my personal beliefs, but I try to keep it constructive and not too judgemental.

I've spent a lot of time cultivating the community where I spend most of my time posting content to, and I like all the comments people share on a daily basis because it's a positivity oriented community.

Between things in real life and fighting feelings of burn out here, it's been a bit tougher to stay motivated. One thing I've been noticing more lately, and I'm not sure how to deal with it, and I'm curious how you all deal with it.

If you have regular commenters that you like in your community, but you see them being kinda shitty in other communities, does that affect you?

I know there are stressful things going on just about everywhere, but it's tough when I see people I look to for positivity in return for my work having bad takes or saying things that make me feel less happy about them.

The broadest recent example is probably the Luigi/United Healthcare assassination. Without getting into a whole thing, I don't support it the way many have expressed here, but I can empathize with the reasoning behind why Luigi has broad support. But I see people I like saying what I feel are pretty hateful things, and I'm having a hard time separating what they show me of themselves in our positive space with what I'm seeing of them in the general Lemmyverse.

I don't know if I should just ignore it, but I don't feel there Is really any ideal way to discuss too much as I don't want to alienate people from my content. I don't use any alta as that just seems like too much work, but now I kind of want to avoid people a little bit.

Just curious if any of you go through anything similar and to see how you deal with it.

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  • I feel you. I was just so over all the negativity on lemmy (seems like a fediverse thing really, sadly) that even seeped through the cracks when i'd just read "subscribed" that i deleted (tried) all my accounts. Forgot about this piefed one, but i will do later, if not just to see if piefed deals with account deletion better than lemmy, that went much worse than expected, haha.

    • I suppose you won't see my reply if you're removing all your accounts, but for the sake of anyone else reading, it's perhaps worse because this is a more liberal platform, even if we're not all of the same leftist groups. The increasing rise of ultra-conservative/nationalist/fascist leaders and policy will hit us harder than a more diverse group like Reddit.

      While I don't want to see gloating right wingers, it really leaves us with a lack of positive perspectives. That circles around sort of to my reason for making this post. I'm posting stuff almost purely to be positive and uplifting, and people respond really well to what I do. But then when it's my turn, there's no positive energy to recharge me... I feel like I'm the only one giving it. That in turn, turns up my feelings of responsiblity to you all, and leaves me even more drained some days. I don't want to quit here or what I do here, but some days it's tough to spend too much time here.

  • If you have regular commenters that you like in your community, but you see them being kinda shitty in other communities, does that affect you?

    It's only an opportunity to remember that we're people, with many flaws. And that's true for every single one of us. No exception.

    I don’t know if I should just ignore it, but I don’t feel there Is really any ideal way to discuss

    My approach is that if a message is not addressed to me and if I have nothing nice to say (or if I feel like being judgmental, like you said), I'd rather say nothing. And if the message is addressed to me, well, it's more or less the same: if I have nothing positive to say, I will not reply and ignore it. If the person insists a little, I will say 'sure, thx for sharing your opinion'. If they insist more, I will block them.

    as I don’t want to alienate people from my content.

    I don't worry about people disagreeing with me. In fact, I quite appreciate diverging opinions as they can be opportunities to learn new things and to revise my own certainties. But I also don't care at all about alienating anyone that I would consider a pain because I don't think there is much (new) to learn from that kind of pain.

    • Quietly moving along has been the approach I've been doing. I try to keep in mind that I only really interact with them in a very brief sense every now and then, so I'm only getting the tiniest sliver of who they are when they interact with my posts. They're their own people with their own thoughts, and since there's no face-to-face interaction, I think I just project a bit too much personality on them sometimes.

      I don't think I've ever responded to any of them, because I enjoy the interactions they have with me that do pertain to me and what I am interested in sharing, That is a success that I have at that point, and the likeliness that I will change someone's opinions on politics or whatnot isn't very high, so it's not worth it.

      With some I've interacted with on a daily basis though, I guess I just wish they would always be smart and funny like they are in my space, which is almost purely positive, all the time. It's unfair to expect them to be happy and rational though when they're in a thread talking about things that make them mad though, It bothers me to see them get upset, even if we're not friends in a traditional sense, I feel I've gotten to see them as good and happy people and I don't like something making them be angry/upset/sad/etc.

      I'm fine with people disagreeing with what I say though. I try not to throw around too much opinion and generally will have sources for things I share, so if they turn out to be wrong, I really do wish to know about it so I can be properly informed. I like to learn in general, so it's important to be able to vet the facts I'm finding.

  • Only option is to ignore and stick to your community/instance rules and overall vibe.

    I occasionally have known tankies comment in one of the communities I am modding. I just don't engage.

    And being Ukrainian I have a good reason to be very negative towards tankies.

    For what it's worth, I find it helps to contextualise things for yourself. At the end of the day, it's not that big of a deal.

    • Good point about contextualizing. People are allowed to let off steam sometimes, and with only text to go by, people could be serious, but they could also just be working through frustrations.

      We all have our share of bad takes, and I should only put so much weight into random things some relative strangers say. I delete a lot of posts before sharing because I decide I'm either edging into things I may not understand as much as I think, or that what I'm about to say may have me come off as confrontational. Different people just have different concepts of self control.

  • I try my best to be a positive voice but I'm also tend to by cynical on many topic. If you catch me be rude or negative in a non-constructive way, do not hesitate to talk me out of it. It easier to be better as a group!

    • I've only ever seen you be très chouette! You do a lot of great community building and watching you do your thing still makes me happy!

      • A take it as a big compliment (^_^) Thanks. But I'm not doing half of what you and so many other people are doing...

  • I think one way to think about it is your positively is shared at least in your space even with people who you feel aren't good all around. People are complex and different environments bring out different aspects of them

    • This is very true. The majority of what I share can be appreciated at surface level, but the people that actually interact and participate I like to think are there to be open minded and to learn new things.

      If I'm looking to teach people things, the audience will be coming from all different backgrounds and opinions, but my primary goal is to show them new things and to get them to think more critically about them. Even if I'm not in agreement with them on things at times, they are still taking time to show an interest in what I'm talking to them about. They deserve to be free to say what they want, but there's no more obligation for me to have to agree with it than there is to listen to everything I have to say.

  • I've had to block a lot of communities in order to maintain my sanity. Like, others are free to do as they choose but I should have that freedom as well too, yeah?

    It's the Nazi bar problem: how do you be friends with a Nazi, who is nice to you most of the time? (The difference here is that Nazis were and neo-Nazis are Alt-Right, while the ones we are talking about here are Alt-Left, but is there all that much difference, really? both are okay with murder as not the last but somehow rather almost the first resort, having no clue about the horrors that they would unleash upon society if they got their way - and just exactly like the Alt-Right, their way is the only way, no openness to discussions to the contrary).

    Highly ironically, Reddit used to have this problem, and do you know what they did about it? They banned the leftist extremists, enticing them to create Lemmy as a Reddit replacement. i.e., this is not merely a Nazi bar - it's their bar, while we are the freeloaders here. I find that thought highly interesting...

    • Though I don't know if I'd absolutely put it how you did, there is an element of truth I think it's hard to argue. This place was started by hard Left ideologues, and I learned quick that American far leftists aren't near as far left as those from other places sometimes! I do feel rather centrist here compared to most places in my real life.

      Everyone is fairly free here to speak their mind, whether that's something brilliant, stupid, or somewhere in between.

      I was very late to Reddit and avoided most of the drama there, but even though I don't agree with much of the Lemmy founders' political leanings, I do respect that they made this place viable and that the rest of us get to use it.

      I also agree extremists to either direction start to look more alike the more extreme they go. The environment is one of my highest priorities, but things like eco extremism I can sympathize with, but I don't want to see people killing each other to protect it either, and I don't know how many laws I'd personally be willing to break to do it.

      I did watch How to Blow Up a Pipeline today though, and I didn't really feel bad about much anyone did in that... They specifically made sure they didn't hurt anyone or the environment, though some characters debated if hurting people causing the problems was ok.

      • If you think about it more I suspect you will come around to my way of thinking there. For one thing, the form of argumentation looks precisely identical to those often used by the Alt-Right, while for the another the content looks at least functionally identical to it as well. e.g. here's an image from a post on lemmy.ml that was shared just prior to the election:

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        The translation here is "bOtH sIdEs SaMe" - which actually worked to sway the election of the USA. Over time I've heard the argument shift from "we're not the Alt-Left", to "okay so we're the Alt-Left, but you don't have to worry b/c unlike the Alt-Right, we have no actual power"... but if such messages are swaying the election of the nation with the most nuclear warheads on planet Earth, then isn't the latter no longer true?

        Question: and how is this not likewise advocating for genocide?

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        (shared in this post to [email protected] 7 days ago)

        Answer: b/c murder is okay when our side does it.

        And how is this post to [email protected] any different at all from those style of posts that I used to see on Hexbear.net? Reaction-baiting, spoiling for a fight, picking on points of contention for the purpose of "dunking" on one's opponent, rather than attempting to find common ground and have discussions of greater depth and substance.

        100% of the people that I've mentioned Lemmy to have outright chided me for having done so, b/c of the extremist content. And it's not just "over there" - by federating with these instances, we choose to host it over "here" as well. e.g. a poster on the wall of a Nazi bar may have been constructed thousands of kilometers and multiple nations away, but if it was transported to you and accepted by you and pinned up by you in your bar, then it is "you" who are advocating for that (Pro-Nazi) message?

        I've already given up checking Lemmy while at work - I don't want these server names appearing in those logs, in case something happens and they start wondering why I am visiting this Alt-Left space. *I* am not planning on doing anything illegal like murdering a CEO, but if I am hanging out at this "Nazi bar"... I can well understood why someone might question if I myself am a "Nazi", or in this case the Leftist equivalent?

  • I often want go simply reply "dumb fuck!!" without explaining myself, but I make a conscious effort to save the post and reply in a more constructive way since this isn't Twitter or whatever.

    Though, wouldn't it be really funny if you opened up a painfully stupid post and the only comment read "dumb fuck!!"

    • There are definitely threads I've seen where that would have been the only necessary response! 😂

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