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Ummmm, the whole point of the show was that the people were horrible.
The show ended with them jailed after they made fun of a guy who was getting mugged.
The gang on It's Always Sunny is worse but they are obviously not people we're supposed to empathise with. It's quite a bit less obvious on Seinfeld.
Always Sunny was taking the idea of Seinfeld and dialing it up to 11.
I feel like the distinction is that on Sunny the gang is “punished” for their shitty behavior, and on Seinfeld they basically never were. (I don’t include the season finale because that was just a cop-out to give the show an ending.)
I feel like Seinfeld reveled in the naughty pleasure of schadenfreude
I might be overthinking it but feel like Seinfeld was more a show about normal people who sometimes do shitty things - just like real life. I can't think of anything truly horrible any of them did on the show, just a bunch of "social" wrongdoing. Telling a secret, sleeping at work, the perfect comeback, etc. It's famously a show about "nothing"
Then IASIP is about a bunch of assholes riling each other up to be horrible for their own benefit.
I think Seinfeld is the more "important" in the grand scheme of television for it's groundbreaking approach but in a vacuum, IAS is the better show.
Jerry purposely drugging his girlfriend so he could play with her toys was pretty shitty AND horrible.
Yes, but that's season 9, which is after Larry David left as writer. While Larry David was there thru season 7 the characters were quirky regular people who sometimes made bad choices like all humans do sometimes. After Larry David left and Jerry Seinfeld was writing the show by himself from season 8 forward, the characters became much more fucked up, and the show was also way less funny
That’s a fair point. Season 9 was certainly a vibe I can’t quite find the words for.
Good one, I hardly remember the last couple of seasons and forgot that
George and Elaine are pretty psychopathic in the show. Jerry occasionally gets to be the good guy, but isn't much be better than them. It's way beyond social faux paus.
The show is still a very 90s show with 90s sensibilities. There is a lot of media from that time that hasn't aged well.
If 90s shows make you clutch your pearls god help you if you catch something from the 80s or 70s.
I think that 90s media may be a bit more problematic because it was more willing to have the kinds of discussions that 80s media would never had.
Yeah, the "discussions" in the 90s where about normal behavior in the 70s and 80s.
Hell the 80s religious and political scene in America is what inspired A Handmaids Tail.