Manjaro is experimenting with **opt-out telemetry | Hacker News (More like op-out spying)
Manjaro is experimenting with **opt-out telemetry | Hacker News (More like op-out spying)
Why are distro communities turning linux more and more into Windows and Mac OS clones?
This is why I use Arch.
I'm usually a defender of opt-out telemetry in Linux, what with it usually being trivial to untick in the installer, the telemetry not being invasive, the telemetry being private and not being able to identify people, it being used to actually benefit Linux rather than make money, and because opt-in telemetry is useless (as repeatedly stated by multiple Linux projects that I trust, such as KDE and Gnome)...
That said, holy shit this telemetry collects stuff it really should not be collecting. This is not what Linux telemetry should be. Doubly so from a distro with a troubled past in terms of management and security. This is a red flag.
Friends don't let friends use Manjaro
Use EndeavourOS or another Arch derivative instead.
Or just plain arch. Installing it with archinstall isn't that hard
Oh boy looks like my weekend will be spend learning and trying to install Arch without a graphical installer. To be fair Manjaro on my laptop was my first try at Arch. I never thought how much I will come to like AUR.
EndevaourOS is already on my gaming rig so plain Arch for my laptop seems like a good challenge. Farewell Manjaro, I learned a lot
Going to second other comments. Even without archinstall. It feels like it will be harder than it is. Umm, just save yourself a bit of time and configure the network and install a console editor (nano/vim whatever) while in the chroot (if going full manual). It was a minor pain to work around that for me.
There are pages discussing how to do everything (helps to have a laptop with browser, or a phone to look them up). At the end, you generally know exactly what you installed (OK no-one watches all the dependencies), and I've found any borks that happen easy to fix because I know what I installed.
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archinstallscript is officially supported and very straightforward. like, almost Calamares-but-in-TUI straightforward.It's not that hard, just read the install guides and instructions. My first Arch install was like 8y ago and I expected it to be difficult - it wasn't.
Oh, you can vote whether it should be opt-in or opt-out.
Oh, voting requires "Trust level 1".Anyway, I may stop donating to Manjaro due to this. Now I just go with Arch anyway.
archinstalleven makes it quick to setup a VM.I had a forum account from long ago that I barely use and even I was able to vote ... so if you had an account there, give it a try and vote!
The only thing archinstall script misses for me is option for flatpak setup from the get go
Oh, voting requires “Trust level 1”.
I've found that some people use Linux just to be apart of the "cool tech kids" on the internet. They don't understand how to use a CLI, what kernel level access is, what a kernel is, or even how Linux actually works as opposed to Windows/Mac.
I think Manjaro was made for them. It's like the MLM version of a Linux distro.
This is a “cool tech kid” opinion. Linux is for EVERYONE. Let’s not gatekeep it. Having GUI tools and stuff that is so easy to use that tech-illiterate people can use Linux is a great thing.
Are you trying to gatekeep Linux to only power users that use a CLI, are way above the average in computer literacy, and happen to know the nuances between Linux and other operating systems?
This is the kind of thinking that will prevent adoption to the masses. Linux doesn't have to be stupid hard to use. There are specific distros like vanilla Arch for advanced users to tinker with and options like Manjaro and Ubuntu that are ideally functional out of the box for those that just want something to work.
What Manjaro is doing here is dumb AF, and should rightfully be heavily criticized, but you statement feels like your saying you should have to be a computer expert to use any Linux distro, and that's dumb.
If I were using Manjaro right now, at the first opportunity, I would be switching to something else. Too much enshitification happening everywhere, and people need to start voting with their "wallets" to stop these greedy fucks.
Opt out telemetry is annoying. There's no guarantee it doesn't send before I've had a chance to disable.
I was just getting used to using Manjaro for my dev machines due to rolling release. Gotta find new flavor now.
Consider Endeavour.
Yup saw it recommended in one of the comments as well, I'll look it up.
Finally time to update manjarno.snorlax.sh again -_-
That URL doesn't seem to be working.