If You’re Progressive or Muslim, Don’t Waste Your Vote on Jill Stein
If You’re Progressive or Muslim, Don’t Waste Your Vote on Jill Stein
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/21289050
An inconvenient truth for Jill Stein, the Green Party protest candidate for president, is that there are only two candidates who can win the presidency on Nov. 5, and she isn’t one of them.
The other inconvenient truth for her and her avowed progressive supporters is that every protest vote from the left against Vice President Kamala Harris is a vote for former President Donald Trump.
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Most of the people pushing this "Don't vote" or "Voting for evil is still evil" bs, are foreign interests or people who aren't registered to vote anyways.
If you really care, Vote for Kamala, and THEN protest after she wins. At least if she wins you'll still be ABLE to protest.
Lumping the Don't Vote folks to foreign interests or non registered is super reductive and isn't how you (we) win votes. Disenfranchisement is systemic and part of the design of the system with which we vote in. Win them back by bringing their material needs and concerns into policy discussion. That's what many organizers are doing, thanklessly, but it is more difficult each cycle when nothing substantive changes for those peoples.
Look, if you don’t vote because you genuinely can’t see a difference between Trump “rapist, multiple felonies, ‘dictator on day one’, ‘I wish I had generals like Hitler’” and Harris “I don’t like all of her policies”, then you are a danger to yourself and others.
Normally in an election there is nuance. Not this time. Are you going to actively vote against the fascist, or not? That’s all there is to it.
i agree with that framing for sure. But normally there is nuance? I have been voting for a long time and they have always been framed as life or death. There is no room for nuance in American politics, never has been. It's by design.
Yes, reductionism is how you broadly talk about a topic that spans multiple things. That's how that works. We don't have time to go into the complexities. The outcome of both is roughly the same. why or who or what doesn't largely matter.
I'm not here to make friends with these people, I'm here to counter their argument and make sure their harmful viewpoint doesn't infect others.
There is no winning them back. They are here literally to spread chaos and disrupt other voters. They aren't registered to vote anyways, and aren't going to vote anyways. There's no point in spending all that time and effort on an already lost-cause.
This is such a depressing losing perspective. So the material concerns of billionaires is all that matters. They get their complexities heard and sorted into the choice of two candidates.
So the material concerns of billionaires is all that matters.
Yeah, nobody said that at all, but glad to see you took the mask off.
They get their complexities heard and sorted into the choice of two candidates.
In a first past the post voting system...yes. Sorry. The world isn't perfect. Vote first. THEN protest.
Thanks for reducing me too bud. Mask off. JFC, you can't handle a little debate without resorting to conspiratorial name calling. Bye.
This isn't a debate. This is a public service announcement.
Neoliberal fascism has no room for debates, let alone critical thinking.
I'm a Bernie guy, but you've gotta be pragmatic when the literal alternative is the end of America as a democracy.
We can go back to debating when our nation isn't at stake.
Who said fascists lack pragmatism?
Which supposed election cycle was the country not at stake?
Why do you believe democracy is healthy and functioning in America?
Which supposed election cycle was the country not at stake?
Basically every single one prior to 2016. If you're too young to remember those, then you're operating on a window of time that's too small. The Obama era was fine, and nobody said the country was at stake. Civility was still part of politics. Prior to that, the Clinton, and Bush eras were also just fine - Nobody claimed the country was at stake during those elections either. How is it that you don't see the massive difference between those time periods?
Why do you believe democracy is healthy and functioning in America?
It isn't, currently - because of the Supreme Court appointees. The only way to fix this is to vote D enough times that they can appoint some of their own Supreme court justices so that the system balances back again.
IF the votes are close enough for Republicans to finally pull off enough bullshit to hand themselves the election - they'll do it from now until civil war. You won't have the ABILITY to vote again. The only way to correct the current problem of the real fascists (Republicans) being able to push the system completely over, is to remove their positions of power. I've already voted straight D down the ticket. I've done my part.
The only counter to a heavily skewed Republican supreme court is a heavily skewed Democrat Congress. That's the whole point of checks and balances in this country.
And the fact of the matter is, regardless of this genocide, both parties right now are supporting it. With one, you get to continue pushing your voice - the other one has promised to arrest and/or kill protesters and has instances of praising Putin for his way of maintaining control; by killing his defectors.
So it's clear, that if you want your voice to be heard in the long term, that you'll vote for the side that keeps American democracy alive.