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But if you say you're voting for who you actually believe in, and it's not one of the two, you're also "throwing your vote away" according to many. Anytime I see this all I see is blackmail. "Vote my way or bad things will happen".
It's not a choice, it's coercion. One side actively threatens it and the other side passively threatens it. It's all just threats if you don't fall in line.
It’s not a choice, it’s coercion.
Math is coercion, I guess.
"Being practical" and "harm reduction" seem to also be coersion, too.
If my heart had its way, I'd be voting Peace and Freedom Party. But it doesn't, so I'll be voting for Joe Biden. And that is that.
Humour and logic, keep your comments coming! Lately it felt like Lemmy was overrun by people arguing in bad faith.
Lemmy was setup by tankies. It's like shooting fish in a barrel if you're looking for morons to argue with on the internet. Kinda fun to dunk on them. Kinda lame to see them whine incessantly.
their comment is bad faith: it intentionally misrepresents their interlocutor to score cheap rhetorical points.
It's not blackmail, it's reality. No one is threatening you just explaining what's going to happen.
Facts are blackmail. Only pleasant fictions are allowed.
Nobody, at least seriously, is threatening YOU to vote a specific way. The threat comes from one candidate specifically, of which our glorious 2 party system has confirmed will ONLY be one of those two. And he isn’t threatening YOU, but rather our entire way of life. So, go ahead and vote however you want. Just know the repercussions on the grand scale, and maybe be a little humble.
Funny how one side can do anything they want but the other side can at best "not be that guy". Democratic impotence is intentional.
What exactly are you saying here now? You’re being intentionally vague
No I'm not. You lack reading comprehension. According the this very meme, R is able to bring the world to fascism but all D can do at best is "not be facists". No argument for what good they'll do. Just "well, we're not facists...."
If you think the Biden admin has done nothing for you or the country, you're just admitting you're a low information voter. There are various bills, executive actions, judicial appointments. Pathetic, really, to take so little agency of your citizenship.
Its like that quote about an antisemite not needing to use logic or reason. The dems are bound to the system, bc thats the source of their power. The gop is not beholden to it bc democracy is failing them.
Dont forget, the boomers are fast dying out, covid kills reds at twice the rate of blues, and the younger generations swing increasingly further left. Our governement is still in the hands of dinosaurs. As they go extinct, u can attempt to implant ur own candidates, but that opportunity wont come under another trump win in November. And if your argument is, yeah but we need revolution, then u should be spending your time working on systems of mutual aid and direct action, and i guarantee u will have a much harder time doing so when more and more ppls rights are under threat by the day.
This is why communist/anarchist parties exist in neoliberal countries and participate in their electoral politics. To make life more bearable for everyone until "the moment" comes, and to make ot that much easier to pursue the avenues of mutual aid and direct action.
Its like that quote about an antisemite not needing to use logic or reason.
Sartre:
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
Thanks bae <3
I hate to paraphrase this one bc of how short and sweet the full thing is
sartre is rolling in his grave that this is being used to defend democrats.
Agreed. We survived 4 years of trump, we can do it again.
And again, and again, and again, and again, and again, after project 2025
Tell that to the women in prison for having miscarriages.
That's already happening? That's more of an issue with the legislature and the recent Supreme Court ruling
My point being that saying "we survived four years of trump, we can handle another four" is extremely stupid, and ignores the very real damage that he did to many of us, and the very real damage that he will do if re-elected. It's easy to say we can survive another four years of him if you're a cishet white dude.
I see your point and I respect your concerns and decision. Funny enough I'd actually be impacted by trump being president but I'm willing to go through the pain and suffering myself for (hopefully) a future where setting a precedence can put more power in people's vote and hands.
Precisely, we go through this propagandistic scolding campaign every four years. It furthers the interests of the status quo. There are so many reasons to not vote for Biden in say, Florida, where there is absolutely no chance for him to win. And this is just one particular reason/instance among many. We should be building solidarity with leftists and attempt to pull popular political discourse to the left and far away from the corporate demogogs that keep the two parties in power. Alas, liberals punch left because that's not an easy binary thought. It is a destructive mentality.
I won't be voting for Biden in my state (not Florida) because he stands no chance to win here. So why should I back a genocidal horse who will lose here anyways? Fuck Trump and fuck Biden. I will vote for Claudia De la Cruz or Cornell West here. Their voices matter and should get more air time, but corporate america controls the media and the conversation. Hence why this shame scolding propaganda sits here.
Only propagandists or the politically ignorant would say that.
Biden has a chance in every state.
Consistently & nationwide polling has been off by 9+ points in the Democrats favor since Roe V. Wade was overturned.
OK. I wish that were an accurate summation but Biden is not going to win in states that always vote red. This is really wishful thinking that polling now is accurate, but when November ballots are filled, the States that vote for Biden and Trump will remain largely the same. Thanks for griefing (politically ignorant). JFC.
People who don't want Trump in office outnumber people who will vote this year. If everyone voted, Biden would have a chance in every state
im very excited for west, but can you pitch me on de la cruz?