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“Yet another unsavoury EPP chunk of red meat, meant to attract the far-right vote:" EU group backed by von der Leyen plans Rwanda-style migration reforms

www.theguardian.com EU group backed by von der Leyen plans Rwanda-style migration reforms

Centre-right European People’s party says it wants to create deportation deals with non-EU countries to head off rise of far right

EU group backed by von der Leyen plans Rwanda-style migration reforms

The European People’s party (EPP), an umbrella group of centre-right and conservative parties, has said in the final draft of its manifesto ahead of elections to the European parliament in May that it wants a series of deal with non-EU countries with a view to deporting irregular migrants for asylum processing in “safe” third countries.

“Yet another unsavoury EPP chunk of red meat, meant to attract the far-right vote. It will not work. All the EPP strategy has achieved over the past years, is making the far right bigger. So if they know it doesn’t work, why do they stubbornly repeat the same tactics each time?” said Sophie in ‘t Veld, a Dutch MEP, and the lead representative for the liberal Renew group on the parliament committee for civil liberties, justice and home affairs.

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  • Before mass slaughtering the Jews in concentration camps, the Nazis also proposed to deport all the Jews to some african country, for instance Madagascar. Now it is about "irregular asylum seekers" which are all ayslum seekers. Nobody can enter a country "regularly" to ask for asylum and get it granted. Next it will be about all "migrants" that are considered undesireable. Then it will be about citizens, who cannot prove an aryan lineage, progressive thinkers, LGTB and other marginalized groups. Finally the concentration camps will be reerected.

    That is the plan of the fascists. In Germany they have discussed their plans in a meeting between the fascist AfD, the far right CDU and people recognized as parts of illegal fascist "activist" groups.

    The EPP is preparing a cooperation with fascists in all of Europe, giving rise to a new era of fascist regimes in Europe.

    • That might be a bit of a stretch.

      • Every step in the direction of the fascists will be followed by the demand for another step. But with the first step the political window has shifted, so the next step suddenly seems discussable when before it was just considered to bei heinous, barbaric and strongly rejected. This is how fascism rises. Not in a landslide, but step by step by step. I don't expect some uneducated dissapointed young men from an underdeveloped region to get this. But the politicians know what they do and they make the same mistakes like a hundred years ago. But this time it is deliberate.

        Mass deportations to third countries, particularly in Africa, is a plan straight out of the Nazi book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

        The Madagascar Plan was a plan proposed by the Nazi German government to forcibly relocate the Jewish population of Europe to the island of Madagascar. Franz Rademacher, head of the Jewish Department of the German Foreign Office, proposed the idea in June 1940, shortly before the Fall of France. The proposal called for the handing over of control of Madagascar, then a French colony, to Germany as part of the eventual peace terms.

        The idea of re-settling Polish Jews to Madagascar was investigated by the Polish government in 1937,[1][2] but the task force sent to evaluate the island's potential determined that only 5,000 to 7,000 families could be accommodated, or even as few as 500 families by some estimates.[a] As the efforts by the Nazis to encourage the emigration of the Jewish population of Germany before World War II were only partially successful, the idea of deporting Jews to Madagascar was revived by the Nazi government in 1940.

        Rademacher recommended on 3 June 1940 that Madagascar should be made available as a destination for the Jews of Europe. With Adolf Hitler's approval, Adolf Eichmann released a memorandum on 15 August 1940 calling for the resettlement of a million Jews per year for four years, with the island being governed as a police state under the SS. They assumed that many Jews would succumb to its harsh conditions should the plan be implemented.[5] The plan was not viable when proposed due to the British naval blockade. It was postponed after the Nazis lost the Battle of Britain in September 1940, and it was permanently shelved in 1942 with the commencement of the Final Solution, the policy of systematic genocide of Jews, towards which it had functioned as an important psychological step.[6]

    • Not that I agree with mass murdering or deportation, then again, I'm realistic enough to understand that this mass of "asylum seekers" is absurd. I am not negating that some of them have a quite solid reasons to ask for asylum, but come on, all of them ?

      Nobody can enter a country “regularly” to ask for and get it granted.

      Wrong, you can do it, asking for asylum to the embassy of the destination country which is present in your country. Or you can go to a border and ask for it. Or go to a police station once in the country. Or any other way that don't involve to try to go on the run the moment they set foot in a country.

      And before someone starts to depict me as a racist, I am all in for integration. I have no problems if you want to come to my country for a better life or because you are fleeing from political or other forms of persecution, you are welcone as long as you want to integrate into the society and follow the laws of my country. I will support you and I will respect your hard work and the even harder choices and sacrifices you have done.

      I literally have a lot of problems if all you want to do once in my country is to be the scum that make my city more dangerous for any of its inhabitants, you want to live on petty crime and consciously ignore the laws of my country.
      And I don't see any problem in a country (or the EU) not wanting this scum.

      • I literally have a lot of problems if all you want to do once in my country is to be the scum that make my city more dangerous for any of its inhabitants, you want to live on petty crime and consciously ignore the laws of my country.

        You are mixing up cause and effect. The current and proposed regulations to clamp down on migration make it impossible for many of them to earn a living in an honest way, thus resulting in some of them turning to crime to survive. You can't prevent that by making even harder to get an legal status that allows working in the country.

      • Wrong, you can do it, asking for asylum to the embassy of the destination country which is present in your country

        Which doesn't work in countries that are subject to civil war or politically opressive regimes. What do you think happens if you are surveilled as a political activist and go to the embassy of that country? You will never make it to your second appointment. Or lets take Afghanistan for example. The people who used to work for Germany were largely fucked over and left to now be killed by the Taliban, as they were told to go through a bureaucratic process at an office, that was already closed for month before the Taliban finally took over again.

        Or you can go to a border and ask for it.

        Except you can't because there is noone processing it there, the offices are all in the country.

        Or go to a police station once in the country

        And voila, you entered the country "irregularly". It is simply impossible to enter a country regularly to ask for asylum there. That is the whole point of the system.

      • I think you should review your thoughts on this, because some of your examples are not actually possible.

        For example, you say that an asylum seeker could go to a police station once in the country. That implies that they didn't, in fact, enter the country "regularly".

        You've also implied that the asylum seekers are going on the run. Those people are called illegal immigrants. Asylum seekers are the ones who find one of the increasingly few and difficult ways to actually enter the country and claim asylum.

        Even the UK, which has a Hostile Environment policy for immigration, allowed 76% of asylum applications in 2022. If these applications weren't legitimate, they would have found a reason to refuse them. They would love to brag about it in Parliament.

  • Is there such a thing as appeasing the far right? The tories in the UK lurched to the right out of fear of ukip, and that hasn't really worked. Why would a UK "patriot" vote for the racist-light tories when they can vote ukip?

    Same in Sweden with M and SD. M turned more right wing in immigration matters to combat SD, which didn't help. SD is bigger than ever.

    I honestly don't think most people mind migration, what they do mind is the crime associated with it, unfairly or not, and the unwillingness to call it out.

    That and the rampant homophobia, misogyny and antisemitism that comes with some migrants. Not that we don't have our own idiots here already.

    • It is not migration that is associated with crime, it is racist people who associate migrants with crime IF they have darker skin.

      Nobody complains about the millions of migrants coming from southern or eastern Europe. Unless, of course, they are Roma.

      And this is obviously unfair and untrue and a media effect, because every crime committed by a darker-skinned migrant has been reported literally around the world. While local crimes stay where migrant crimes belong, on the local news site. So it's nonsense to claim that it's not being talked about; in fact, it's constantly being exaggerated and used by the media and politicians to incite hatred against dark-skinned people.

      Speaking of homophobia: Until 1994, people in Germany could go to prison for homosexuality and after that it took another 23 years until 2017 to rehabilitate those convicted under this law. And racist Germans still didn't like it. And of course they want to deny any help to homosexual immigrants from predominantly dark-skinned countries. In fact, they want to make homosexuality (not to mention trans people) illegal again, like Putin is doing.

      Our culture is deeply misogynistic and those who suffer the most from this are women from countries with Islamic cultures who choose to follow their culture's dress codes. And every time some racist Europeans come up with a new idea about how to "fight" migrants' misogyny, what they are really presenting is just another way to make these women's lives harder than they already are.

      Every Palestinian has very good political reasons to hate Israel. The fact that we call this anti-Semitism, even though Jews, Christians and Muslims have lived together in peace in the Middle East for over a thousand years, is just a pathetic attempt to clear ourselves of the murder of millions of Jews. Equating rejection of Israeli policies with anti-Semitism while supporting every crime by the State of Israel with money, weapons and diplomacy is truly outrageous.

      And it becomes really disgusting, really anti-Semitic when we actually go so far as to label Jewish people who oppose Israeli policies as anti-Semitic and exclude them from social discourse.

      It is therefore impossible for a naive media consumer in Germany to ever see a Jew vehemently defending the Palestinians. This is how anti-Semitism is promoted.

      And you’re celebrating your own racism here, while pretending to not being racist at all. Like whole of Europe does.

      • It is not migration that is associated with crime, it is racist people who associate migrants with crime IF they have darker skin. Nobody complains about the millions of migrants coming from southern or eastern Europe. Unless, of course, they are Roma.

        Migrant areas have a higher crime rate. If you're right wing you blame it on skin colour or culture. If you're left wing you blame it on socioeconomic factors. Take your pick. The fact remains.

        And this is obviously unfair and untrue and a media effect, because every crime committed by a darker-skinned migrant has been reported literally around the world. While local crimes stay where migrant crimes belong, on the local news site. So it’s nonsense to claim that it’s not being talked about; in fact, it’s constantly being exaggerated and used by the media and politicians to incite hatred against dark-skinned people.

        I'm sure right wing media love to sell the idea of "bad migrants". But again, there is a problem in areas with a high migrant population that hasn't been discussed until very recently. The very idea of pointing out that certain groups are over-represented when it comes to certain crimes was seen as racist not too long ago. How can you address a problem you won't even acknowledge exists?

        Speaking of homophobia: Until 1994, people in Germany could go to prison for homosexuality and after that it took another 23 years until 2017 to rehabilitate those convicted under this law. And racist Germans still didn’t like it. And of course they want to deny any help to homosexual immigrants from predominantly dark-skinned countries. In fact, they want to make homosexuality (not to mention trans people) illegal again, like Putin is doing.

        Obviously horrifying, but there's a reason why gay people leave the middle east and come to the west. We're far from perfect, but orders of magnitude better than others. Compare the number of people in Germany and Syria/Turkey/Palestine (or pretty much any country in ME) who want to make homosexuality/trans illegal and then tell me that it's Germany that's the problem.

        Our culture is deeply misogynistic and those who suffer the most from this are women from countries with Islamic cultures who choose to follow their culture’s dress codes. And every time some racist Europeans come up with a new idea about how to “fight” migrants’ misogyny, what they are really presenting is just another way to make these women’s lives harder than they already are.

        Do you really think women from Islamic cultures have it worse in the west? I don't agree with burka-bans or that sort of nonsense, except maybe for minors, but I have a hard time believing that the west is worse for women than Islamic countries in the middle east or northern africa are.

        Every Palestinian has very good political reasons to hate Israel. The fact that we call this anti-Semitism, even though Jews, Christians and Muslims have lived together in peace in the Middle East for over a thousand years, is just a pathetic attempt to clear ourselves of the murder of millions of Jews. Equating rejection of Israeli policies with anti-Semitism while supporting every crime by the State of Israel with money, weapons and diplomacy is truly outrageous.

        And it becomes really disgusting, really anti-Semitic when we actually go so far as to label Jewish people who oppose Israeli policies as anti-Semitic and exclude them from social discourse.

        It is therefore impossible for a naive media consumer in Germany to ever see a Jew vehemently defending the Palestinians. This is how anti-Semitism is promoted.

        Hating and or disagreeing with the Israeli government(s) isn't antisemitism, and I can think of several people with a justified hate for it. That's not the same as hating jews. There was a study done recently that pointed out that the biggest risk factor for antisemitism is ethnicity.

        I do agree that the Israeli government would like to label any criticism against them as antisemitism, which is just silly.

        And you’re celebrating your own racism here, while pretending to not being racist at all. Like whole of Europe does.

        Ad hominem. How charming.

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