Yeah, if you want an interesting anti-forced birth argument, discuss the nuance of, if the baby is “alive” at conception, why aren’t they born 9 months old?
Yep. Once it became relatively safe and ubiquitous people who wanted to control women had problems with it. When it was unreliable and very dangerous for women, they were fine with it. :/
Samantha bee, when she had her late night show on TBS, did a great three part piece on the rise of the religious right. I highly recommend it. She talks about a literal conference call among Republican strategists in the 70s or 80s, trying to figure out how to harness the voting power of white Christians. They brought up multiple issues, and then one said, “how about abortion?” And that’s literally the call that changed everything.
Edit: here’s the video. I’m on mobile so I can’t link to a specific time, but it’s early in the cid, starts around 1:10
Fun fact if you go by what the bible says and not what religious people say. Life is in the breath and therefore doesn’t begin until after birth. It also gives recipes to force miscarriages if a woman was raped or had an adulterous relationship.
I don’t remember specifically where but it was in Numbers and Leviticus. It had the ladies drink tea made from the spices from the altar, which included myrrh and mastic resin, both of which are known to cause miscarriages. It then described their stomach falling out as their bodies were cleansed.
Alright, to play the devil's advocate: the vast, vast majority of eggs that are sold are unfertilized, candled, and taken before there's any real chance of a visible embryo forming, even if they have been fertilized; and I don't think that even for the few fertilized eggs that do get sold and eaten, that an unnoticeably tiny bunch of stem cells could properly be called "meat", anyways.
Alright, to play God's advocate: every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great! If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate! And an egg is just a big lady sperm!
I don't know how its in Catholic church, but in orthodox all animal products are forbidden during fast. I would assume its the same in Catholic, but I am not sure
Regardless, the Catholic Church has historically considered non-human animals to not to have souls or conscience (although they've been trying to engage in revisionism in the last few decades), so even if the eggs were actually fertilized it wouldn't be too much of a contradiction to their dogma, although reality might have a say there.