Holocaust revisionism is running through the mainstream of the MAGA movement
Holocaust revisionism is running through the mainstream of the MAGA movement
There is no denying that white supremacy is an engine of the right.
There is no denying that white supremacy is an engine of the right.
There are some Republican voters who are sympathetic to their party’s ultranationalist turnand don’t believe the party’s attitudes toward issues such as immigration and crime are the products of racial animus. But over and over again, right-wing leaders and thinkers reveal that white supremacism is an engine of this movement.
The latest example comes via an episode of “The Tucker Carlson Show” released this week, in which the former Fox News host interviews podcast host and newsletter writer Darryl Cooper. Carlson, arguably the most influential right-wing nationalist commentator in America, said Cooper “may be the best and most honest popular historian in the United States.” But Cooper has made clear that his intellectual project regarding World War II includes Holocaust revisionism.
You're viewing a single thread.
Alright, so stay with here....
Cooper also framed the slaughter of millions of people, most of them Jewish, as a logistical failure
The article is spreading Holocaust misinformation too. Most of the victims of the Holocaust were not Jewish.
6 million out of 17 million isn't a majority.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims
It's fucking infuriating that so many people keep repeating that bullshit. People legit believe it, it's what we're taught in schools even. But it's just propaganda so kids grow up more likely to excuse Israel's current genocides.
I was taught that it was the largest specific group targeted not that it was the majority.
And in this case it's fine for the author to simplify. Because the specifics of the Holocaust isn't the article focus. It's about current day people denying it happened at all and their political affiliation.
Same, but it's the framing of the number that they're calling into question. As if to force people to say "only 6 million of the 17 million," or, "if they're lying about this, what else are they lying about?"
Truly devious and truly maniacal.
From the linked table, the largest specific group is Soviets.
Holocaust victims were people targeted by the government of Nazi Germany based on their ethnicity, religion, political beliefs, disability or sexual orientation For specified groups like the Jews, genocide was the Nazis' primary goal. According to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM), the Holocaust was "the systematic, bureaucratic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of six million Jewish men, women and children by the Nazi regime and its collaborators".[1]
Including 7.8 million soviet civilians and POWs in the count kind of seems like a revisionist definition of what the holocaust was to include anyone killed in the war. To undermine how much focus was on the jews pre-war.
To be fair, the Soviet citizens were targeted because of their ethnicity. Slavics were considered sub human like Jews.
Then you'd have to also look at deaths before the war for every group...
Like, you get that right?
Do you just not know most of the death wasn't till Nazis understood they were likely going to lose the war?
That's not a rhetorical question. To understand how to best explain this it helps if I know this is something you've thought about more than clicking on the Wikipedia link from a social media comment 2 minutes ago.
Where do I need to start explaining stuff here?
According to museumoftolerance.com and their Holocaust Timeline, Hitler said during a Reichstag speech in January 1939:
if war erupts it will mean the Vernichtung (extermination) of European Jews
So before the war even started, when these people were already surviving in the world, eating, etc, the Nazis and Hitler already knew feeding them would be a logistical problem best solved by death?
The Chelmno (Kulmhof) extermination camp began operations on December 8, 1941, literally one day after Pearl Harbor, far before Germany was "losing" the war. And camps don't just pop up overnight, especially ones that earn the denomination of being an extermination camp, so was this just more logistical foresight on behalf of those oh so kind Nazi officials?
From the same source regarding the Kulmhof Extermination Camp opening:
340,000 Jews, 20,000 Poles and Czechs murdered by April 1943
Or the March 17, 1942 Entry:
Extermination begins in Belzec; by end of 1942 600,000 Jews murdered
Wow, the German 6th Armored didn't surrender at Stalingrad until January 1943, and the Allies didn't invade until June 1944, so that's an awful lot of "mercy killing" happening before the Nazis knew they were going to lose the war.
And FYI, just because the Nazis didn't begin their extermination campaign until after the war began, doesn't mean their actions don't signal what their intentions were from the start: Dachau opened in March 1933, Jewish Germans were barred from military service in 1935, Jewish doctors barred from practicing medicine in 1936, immigrant Jews having their German citizenship status revoked, the Nuremberg Laws of 1935, Kristallnacht in 1938... Like, you see all this, right?
Where do I need to start explaining stuff here?
So I said:
Do you just not know most of the death wasn’t till Nazis understood they were likely going to lose the war?
And you link about less than a million deaths...
Do you think 1 out of 17 million is a majority?
Then there's a big rant about other stuff you didn't understand...
But I won't get to that, one thing at a time because it's concerning we're going in the wrong way.
6/17 isn't bigger than half, and 1/17 is a lot less than half, you need the top number to get bigger
I've always heard the figure being 12 million total. I actually saw an older piece of material recently that mentioned the total as being 11 million.i agree that saying Jews were a majority is incorrect and misleading but I don't think it's intentional misinformation. It was the largest individual group.
but I don’t think it’s intentional misinformation.
Are you saying this one journalist who wrote the article wasn't intentionally spreading it as propaganda this time?
Cuz I could believe that, that's how 80 years of propaganda works.
Unless you're as old as Joe Biden, it's been getting spread longer than we've been alive.
But people genuinely believing it doesn't make it fucking better, sure as shit don't make it true.
Look at all the shit trump supporters believe, sincerity of belief is not as important as the factual merit.
God damn. Go touch grass. Why do you think it's acceptable to get so antagonistic when people share a reasonable thought of their own?
Yeah I was talking about this one particular journalist.
So what is the total amount of soviets that were victims?
I read that. I mean the total that we're only killed because they were Soviets and not for any other reason, ethnic, sexuality, etc.
And this is the only way you can find anything out?
Asking random people on social media?
It's taken two hours so far, this is faster than you googling?
Are you not able to?
If it's that you do t know how or are so bad at it that this is faster. Have you tried asking nicely? May e I cluding "please"?
I just don't understand what the point is in what you're doing here...
Ok, fuck right off with that attitude.
That link cites the holocaust museum defining the holocaust as the extermination of the Jews.
That quote seems to "benignly" recast the holocaust and eliminate over half of the deaths. Even with POWs excluded.