What’s the deal with lemmy.world and beehaw?
What’s the deal with lemmy.world and beehaw?
I don’t get what the problem is? Anyone can elaborate.
Edit: Thank you all for shedding more light on this topic. I’ve never really used flatpak but I do understand it better now!
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lemmy.world has had a handful of back to back queerphobic trolls spamming hate across multiple groups and instances.
They would get banned and come right back.
The reason they were able to do that is because of the open signups on lemmy.world.
Beehaw is an instance that takes protecting their members as their highest goal. They value it significantly more than wide federation.
And so they blocked lemmy.world, as it was a source of bigotry towards their members, and there were no other moderation tools available to them to resolve the issue.
New to all this, does that mean lemmy.world accounts can no longer even see any beehive content?
Yep. Though it's not intended to be a permanent change as I understand it
Hopefully, as these federations mature, community/magazine moderators get greater ability to moderate content.
And these sorts of defederations may also serve as a "hey, do something about this" smack to the defederated instances. Provided that lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works don't actually want to have trolls like that among their users they could implement mechanisms to make it harder for them to sign up.
If someone wants to deliberately run a 4chan-like free-for-all instance, that's fine, but I expect nobody's going to want to federate with it.
Beehaw is an instance that takes protecting their members as their highest goal. They value it significantly more than wide federation.
This makes a lot of sense -- thanks for clarifying it like this.
What instances don't have open signup? I'm on kbin but also signed up to sh.itjust.works and another instance because I had no idea what I was doing. The only difference was that one of them required that I write a quick blurb on why I wanted to join. What does a closed signup look like?
The one with the blurb "why do you want to join" is the one with closed sign-ups.
Exactly like that quick blurb you had. It was manually read and approved by an admin. Open registration means it does not need manual approval. You get the account instantly, maybe after automated email verification.
It's not just the open sign ups, it's the combination of multiple factors
- Lemmy.world is the largest and fastest growing instance leading to a lot of low-effort content/spam
- Their size and open sign-ups mean trolls just make new accounts when they get banned, making bans ineffective
- Lemmy's moderation tools are not yet up to the task of dealing with this problem at this scale
@beefcat Alas that used to be contained to reddit. But since reddit is having drama. They're probably trolling and or trying to ruin other platforms who just want to tell puns that aren't half bad, but are more full bad. Unfortunately the developers or communities didn't see a need to have features to do something about them. Part of the sad thing, is these twits wonder why reddit didn't tolerate them their either.
There are closed signups (no new folk at all), open signups (everyone can join instantly) and limited sign ups (you have to apply to join and be approved by an admin)
Hopefully we can find a way to stop trolls like that without having to block an entire instance. One of the reasons I signed up for lemmy.world was because the rules ban queerphobia and trolls, so it sucks to see that people are abusing the open signup to spread their hate.
How long does it take, do you know, for Beehaw to approve sign ups? I signed up 3 days ago and have yet to receive a verification email. I originally signed up on lemmy.ml and received verification in about an hour, but ended up deleting that account do that instance's... problematic nature. I'm on sh.itjust.works right now, but would rather be on Beehaw.
I signed up [on beehaw] a week or two ago and never got an email from them, but there was a thread at the time where people were praising the quick signup turnaround time (I want to say this was either just before or just after the creator of Apollo announced he was shutting down at the end of June, so signups were building but not as quickly) and I tried to sign in on a whim based on that and it worked.
Same here
Try to login with the creds you set. I never received a follow up email and on a whim tried my creds and it worked.
That being said, I know they also are having problems approving all of the new applicants given the influx and manual process. Keep trying though! While I'm on Kbin as well, Beehaw is my preferred instance so far given the structure and moderation.
I like how lemmy.ml is the 'problematic' community and not beehaw that not even a week in lemmy's surge is trying to enforce it's ethics on the whole lemmy community by de-federating newer instances.
Ethics you actually don't meet by the way, they just don't bother to 'officially' reject people they don't approve, it's on their FAQ.