Ireland, Spain and Norway to recognise Palestinian state
Ireland, Spain and Norway to recognise Palestinian state
Irish PM declares ‘unequivocal support’ for two-state solution, as Israel recalls ambassadors from Dublin, Madrid and Oslo
Ireland, Spain and Norway have announced they will formally recognise a Palestinian state on 28 May, triggering an immediate response from Israel, which said it would retaliate by recalling its ambassadors from Dublin, Madrid and Oslo, and withholding vital funds from the Palestinian Authority.
The three European governments made the long-awaited announcements in coordinated moves on Wednesday morning that they said were intended to support a two-state solution and foster peace in the Middle East.
“We are going to recognise Palestine for many reasons and we can sum that up in three words: peace, justice and consistency,” Spain’s prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, told the parliament in Madrid, to applause. “We have to make sure that the two-state solution is respected and there must be mutual guarantees of security.”
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Hopefully this is a step toward dismantling the brutal apartheid regime that has colonised Palestine for 76 years.
... What?
THEY SAID HOPEFULLY THIS IS A STEP TOWARD DISMANTLING THE BRUTAL APARTHEID REGIME THAT HAS COLONIZED PALESTINE FOR 76 YEARS
Whadda ya, stoopid or sumpthin'?
They are saying they hope it will lead to the end of Israel.
Or at a minimum, getting Israel out of the internationally recognized Palestinian Territories (West bank, Gaza) and allowing Palestinians to self-rule.
That's an intrepretation only possible if you ignore most of that post.
The logical interpretation after reading the entire post is that they hope this will lead to the end of Appartheid in Israel.
Or are you saying that there is no possible way for Israel to exist either than as an ultra racist etnostate that systemically discriminates against a part of its population based on their etnicity? Because that's the only way you could logically claim that Israel without Appartheid would not exist.
Or are you saying that there is no possible way for Israel to exist either than as an ultra racist etnostate that systemically discriminates against a part of its population based on their etnicity?
Not who you're asking but as a citizen of a country that's working through that transition I hope it could be possible, but fear it will take decades.
So far it's working in South Africa, for all the problems it had and is having, as well as in what used to be Jugoslavia, and there is a very long History of etnically diverse populations either ending up cohexisting or segregating into separate independent nations without being constantly at war with each other.
I would even go as far as saying that integration (willful or forced) or peaceful separation into two states are far more common situations than an etnostate successfully suppressing a population without ending up murdering or expelling the entirety of the second largest etnicity.
If you look at History, most conquering of land succeeds because the conqueror actually wants the locals to subject to the rule of the elites of said conqueror rather than pushing them all out, so the people of the conquered territory generally end up integrated into the culture of the conquering nation.
The really special thing with Israel is that it's an etnostate with a core principle that one etnicity is "favoured by God" whilst trying to pass itself as a Democracy, which is also a conqueror in somebody else's land, so fully integrating people with equal rights from a large different etnicity that live in that conquered land (something which would be real Democracy) would directly go against the core etnostate principl (as those other people are not from the "favoured by God" etnicity) and would even change the way the conqueror is ruled because equal rights for a sizeable majority means equal voting rights.
So over the years the leadership in Israel has threaded a thin line where they integrated only a few of the local etnicity in order to seem Democratic but not enough for them to actually have real power versus the etnic majority, and only did so by giving them second class rights, while at the same times using techniques like outright giving on Israeli nationality with full rights to anybody from the favoured etnicity who are not yet Israelis in order to boost the number of that etnicity in Israel. So a small number of people from the not-favoured etnicity are second class citiziens, whilst the vast majority of them kept entirelly powerless (with not even second class citizenship), not just in the conquered land but also in Israel proper.
IMHO a Democracy as a conquering nation can only ultimatelly live in peace in that situation if the people in the conquered land are integrated into it (so equal citizens with equal votes) or live so far away from the conqueror's mainland that they can be kept oppressed and their violence does not reach the mainland (and as we've seen when the US did things like conquer Iraq, that doesn't last), and Israel because of being an etnostate can never accept integrating people from a different etnicity and at the same time sits right next to the very people whose land it conquered and which it oppresses because it cannot integrate them and still remain an etnostate.
There are only three ways for there to be Peace in this situation:
- Israel murders or kicks out every single native from the lands it has conquered, which is what they seem to be trying to do.
- Israel stops being an etnostate, which is incredibly unlikely given that the ultra-orthodox vote is growing and predicted to keep growing without end in sight - in fact the trend is for Israel to just become a full-blown Theocracy rather than merelly a "Democratic" etnostate.
- Israel leaves the land it occupies (at minimum, enough land for a viable Palestinian state) and both people self-segregate.
I would say that most outsiders who are not rabidly pro-Israel are aiming for the last one.
Your interpretation is only possible if you didn't read the post fully. It said it wanted to dismantle the apartheid regime, not to dismantle apartheid. The regime is the Israeli government.
Of course it's the Israeli Government, same as the South African Appartheid government had to be dismantled to end Appartheid there, the Fascist Government in Greece had to be dismantled to bring Democracy there and the Communist Government in Poland had to be dismantled to bring Democracy there.
It's hardly big fat news that the Zionists have to go for there to be peace in the region.
Since "country" is not at all the same as "regime", wanting the end of a regime is not at all the same as wanting the end of the country, as the current status of all the countries I mentioned in my examples above (all alive and well) shows.
Your claim that people hoped for the end of Israel (the country) is not supported by you pointing out that those people want to dismantle the regime, because they're quite different things and the latter absolutelly can be dismantled without the "end" of the former (in my examples above the countries didn't even suffer, quite the contrary: all those countries are better of now that those regimes were dismantled than they were before).