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Moral Responsibility

Open question: What do you think a normal person's moral responsibilities are and why?

Some angles you can (but don't have to) consider:

To themselves, family, friends and strangers?

Do you have thoughts about what it takes to make a good person or at what point someone is a bad person? (Is there a category of people who are neither?)

What do you think the default state of people is? (Generally good, evil or neutral by nature?)

Conversely do you believe morality is a construction and reject it entirely? (Even practically speaking when something bad happens to you?)

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  • You have to leave it as good as you found it, doubly so if you're tending to friends family or nature, and never stop trying to make things better for one(s) you love.

    This means if you don't put your cart away at the grocery store I'm giving you stink eye.

    I think we're all too tired, over worked, and taken advantage of to truly embody the above philosophy, so I let most people off the hook.

    That said I think morality is a natural trait/occurrence of any living group, to be part of society is to contribute to morality, and to behave immorally within the context of a society is to not uphold the values of that society. Immoral isn't inherently/naturally wrong, it's just incorrect to the people you're attempting to exist with.

    If anyone claims to exist without morals they are just claiming to have different values to what their community finds important, and would probably benefit from finding community that aligns with their beliefs, but that risks extremism and echo chambers, see also the Internet and federated instances.

    • I like the point about people being too tired - as much as that might have felt like a side point I think there may be something there - one thing I noticed in Japan is that when I did something nice that was not culturally required people would not only be really happy but actually surprised.

      Japan is not only overworked to death, but also very strict on manners and social rules, so you're often required to pretend to be nice to someone and to follow your duty to others to the point that people start to lose the concept of doing nice things spontaneously.

      As the vice grips tighten around the working and middle class, I think what you're describing has also been happening in the West not only since Corona but gradually over the last several decades. People concerned primarily with survival have less room to be kind. (That said, it means more when they are).

      • I'll take this a step farther than you did.

        I submit that nobody sees the real you until you've suffered some kind of depredation in life. It's easy to be a decent human being when "decency" is a tiny fraction of your available resources. Try being decent when it actually puts you out. That's when you're truly a decent person.

        Example time.


        A friend of mine used to make a LOT of money in tech. He was viewed as a very generous man, like to the point of handing over an over-sized, custom-tailored leather winter jacket he owned to an acquaintance of his he knew who had been living in the street for six months. That was a $2000 jacket… It was all so very generous ... except he was taking home after taxes about $20,000 per month. He barely noticed the loss of it when he bought its replacement.

        How did I find out he was decent?

        Years later, after being out of touch, I met him again. He'd lost his tech job and his investments had tanked when the tech bubble burst. He was in a mediocre-salaried civil service job and was only just making ends meet. Why? Because he still donated to charities; when not with money, with time. He still shared what he had with those who had less. THAT is a decent person.

        The billionaires tossing a million dollars in a careful PR campaign to show how "nice" they are ... they're not. With a billion dollars you could hand out a million dollars a day for almost three years before running out ... and that assumes you never earn another cent. A million dollars is rounding error to them.

        The weekly meals for unemployed friends my now-civil-servant friend held was a far bigger chunk.

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