Trolls of Lemmy, what is up with that?
Trolls of Lemmy, what is up with that?
I can understand the desire to get as many downvotes as possible on reddit. I don't sympathize, but I can at least see where people are coming from. Because Reddit gives you that total and shows it to you.
And I'm sure it's possible to use an API to really that number up on Lemmy, but "total karma" doesn't seem to be something Lemmy cares about by default, so where is the motivation coming from?
Is it just the same reason people have always been trolls? Because I've never quite understood that, either
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Trolls are just bullies, I guess. For some of them, getting a rise out of people strikes then as funny, probably because of superiority issues. The psychology is interesting, but those people likely aren't leading very happy lives. Karma probably isn't top of their priority beyond it being funny how many people have gotten a rise.
There's also toxic people who hang around with trolls and other toxic people. They form social groups where some minority group becomes the butt of a joke, which then becomes an "in joke". This historically has been against lgbt folks, certain nationalities, furries, disabled people and neurodivergent people, among others.
Then those people internalise those feelings, and spread them to other social groups, where they either land or the person gets confused as to why people hate them. If you run a community, you need to keep an eye out for this sort of thing and stop it before it takes hold.
Trolls attack people to get a reaction. Toxic people attack people out of indifference to their feelings.
There's also a group of people that feel they have a moral imperative to help people. That is, they should actively spread their own moral views and opinions so that other people may learn from them. This may or may not be a problem depending on the views of you and the platform.
Anyway, that's just me rambling a bit, sorry if it's all nonsense.
Trolls are just bullies, I guess.
I guess that's the root of it. I don't really understand the mentality of bullies.
Like, the kid who gets picked on and stays picking on the smaller kids when he gets bigger because his home life sucks and that's just always the way it's been for him... I maybe get it, but I don't think anyone thinks that's a good way to be, and they can stop once they start interacting with a better social group and see how it can be better. Right?
Is it really just that but online, or what have you? Idgi
My conclusion is that many of those who act in a bullying or antisocial manner are negative attention seeking.
Everyone needs attention. It's a human trait to seek attention. More or less attention depending upon the individual, but the need is always there.
Ideally, people learn how to garner attention through positive routes. These can include friendships, helping others, awards, competition, sports, or music/theater performance. As children and growing up, we learn strategies to get attention. This is hopefully guided by our parents, authority figures, friends, and society to teach you ways to get attention in a positive and socially acceptable manner, with the best forms helping other people in the process.
Unfortunately, not everyone either gets that formative training or just never understands. I thinks it's more the former than the latter (instead discussion of sociopaths and psychopathy here). Many of the kids that I've been around who have bulling mentalities responded very well to an authority figure first standing them down, then working on attention positive strategies. They often just didn't have the tools to integrate in a group without bullying to be seen. I'm not a trained social/psychologist professional, but I've worked with a lot of kids over the years, and this approach has worked the vast majority of the time.
Adults who never figured out how to get positive attention seek negative attention. That loud muffler? It's about demanding attention. The yelling in a restaurant? Attention. They are frustrated at the world sometimes because people don't give them attention and one of their only tools in their toolbox to get attention is to be annoying because negative reactions are still reactions.
I pity those people. That's a sad life. It makes for bad transactional style friendships, hateful marriages, and leaves them ill equipped to raise children that will have positive tools in their own lives. If their children do figure out how to be positive in communities, that should also help them to see how their parents are toxic, so it's a no win for the parent in that scenario.
There's, of course, always exceptions such has narcissistic traits, sociopaths, and other mental illnesses, but for most people looking at their behaviors through a lens of attention seeking frameworks fits well enough. Trolls online are to be pitied because they're sad and want attention, but don't know how to get it without bullying and trolling in life.
I guess for some people there's no "good" or "bad" way to be. There's just the real world, and that's it.
If people have been through abuse and trauma, they've been surrounded by people who think that power is the most important thing. And I guess that gets internalised to the extent that "strong" and "weak" becomes their axis instead of "right" and "wrong".
I think it's rather telling that the narrative that these people lay out usually revolves around the idea that people should get a thicker skin or learn to deal with it.
And sadly, I don't think people that have gone through those things are able to find and maintain a good social group of positive people.
That tracks, I suppose. Kinda makes me want to help somehow...
I’ve found that unless you already know someone at a personal level, someone that thinks they don’t need help is unable to accept it. In their mind, needing help means they weren’t strong to begin with. It’s a show of humility to ask for help. Humility is often misinterpreted as weakness.
That's actually a really interesting theory