Every tankless I've used has been a piece of crap. Constantly breaking down. Heat surging and going cold in the shower. Outright just not heating water. All within 2 years of install. Never again. Tanks only for me from now on.
You haven't been to Europe then. I have a boiler in my basement which delivers hot water for two bathrooms and a kitchen as long as I want with constant temperature and never breaking down. That's not even something special just the standard.
If you live in an area with hard water, you are suppose to descale the heater at least once every year by flushing the system with some citric acid solution, otherwise you may get irregular hot water flow.
That's amazing. I mean, I haven't seen/heard of a tanked hotwater heater in my country in decades, outside of increasingly infrequent rooftop solar heated tanks.
We've got instant gas, but I suppose most are electric now. Been running for decades with only needing to be adjusted between summer and winter temps sometimes.
Tanks are just... Useless. Takes up space with no benefit. Tanks use more power or gas. They fail more often (despite your personal experience).
If your tankless system is lasting less than 20 years, you're doing something wrong. If your tankless isn't giving steady water temp nonstop, you're doing something wrong. I mean, those are two of the main benefits they have over tanks. That, and cheaper to run.
Their only advantage is they're cheap to buy and cheap to install.
It's the cheap boots issue.
You save money up front and so you waste money long term.
Dang that sucks. My house came with some kind of Rinnai unit and it's worked pretty well. I clean it out with a special chemical wash every year or two and it's been great. Every now and then it decides it doesn't want to go, but I just unplug and plug it in and it's good for the next few months.
I'd rather be able to shower with no power tbh..specifically opted for at.ospheric for that reason. Much cheaper to buy upfront and works in the event of big storms etc.. tankless can suck my dirty nuts but I see the appeal, kinda..
Not if it's a tank system. They can, but they don't have to, since the pilot stays lit all the time. A tankless system has to use some power since it cycles every time you use it.
In a basement, the waste water is pumped up into the sewer drain. No electricity means that pump doesn't work, the ejector pump pit fills up and floods the basement. If you have a shower in the basement, you likely also have a toilet in the basement, so when that pit floods, it's "not a good time."
Yes, it's like a regular sump pump, except it's got a large intake and a grinder.
I can see where in older neighborhoods, more urban, where the sewer system existed before the residential, that sewer would still be lower than basements. Or maybe when the residential is much nearer to the water treatment facility, and it's at the lower end of its slope to get there. New subdivisions on what used to be farmland, way away from water treatment, I'm sure they don't dig the sewers as deep, and do ejector and sump pumps in the basements.
I can also disconnect from the main and have hot water. Not sure what a water heater has anything to do with pumping the basement waste water out to the city/septic tank.
It's definitely not specific to my area. Septic tanks are common around the world, for example.
So... Shower with no power. Instant gas heaters are the best option. Cheap to run, steady temp, no electricity needed.
Well, once in one place I rented I had to change the 9v battery that was used to light/spark it, but otherwise, no electricity needed at all.
Don't have household gas? Just connect it to a gas bbq bottle. For me, I had to swap it every month, but for a family, I'd probably get a bigger canister. They're all fairly cheap to refill-swap.
I mean, it was just a common off the shelf unit, wasn't anything special, but I don't live there anymore. I can msg the landlord to get a photo or something of the model number if you want to buy one?
I mean, what does it need power - beyond the 9v battery for the starter - for?
And as for propane, why not? That's what they're designed and built for. You're weird.
Inducer motor for starters. This blows hot gasses outside. Circuit boards need power, the switches and relays on the boards. There's programming and timings that are on the boards. Most models now also have wifi modules too.
😂 Fuck me that's such a dumb, childish thing to say, since you obviously didn't. You just said it because you're having a little toddler temper tanty. 😂🤦
Go on. Block me. Do it. Stop talking about it like anyone cares about you or anything you say.
You have no idea what you're talking about, so fuck right off. Go on. Get out of here.
"Be added to the blocklist" 😂 ah, fuck me that's some funny shit.