I had forgotten how great it is to see the number of downvotes
I had forgotten how great it is to see the number of downvotes
I've been so used to judging a post just by its popularity on reddit, but it's actually so much more useful to have an idea of the downvote ratio. I'm glad we have that here.
It was a scandal when it disappeared from YouTube, but I didn't realize it was missing from Reddit too for much longer!
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I really like that you can hide scores on posts and comments altogether. I don't like seeing the upvotes or downvotes. I don't want to base my opinion on a comment or post on what other people have felt about it, and so just not seeing their reaction to it at all helps prevent that. I don't think popularity is necessarily a useful factor to consider in judging a post or comment. This is one complaint I have about the Jerboa app right now, is that it doesn't respect the Hide Scores preference.
Everytime I loomed at my most upvoted comments/submissions on reddit, it would just be populist low effort crap that I wrote.
The meaningful insightful comments that I wrote barely got more than a handful of votes.
The voting system really isn't that indicative of anything in my opinion, other than how willing we are to lower ourselves to pander to the lowest common denominator.
I absolutely agree ... have an upvote!
Snark aside, I do agree, but my time on the microblogging side of the fediverse has habituated me to using "like"/"upvote" as just a nice pleasant gesture to the author of acknowledgement and appreciation. Of course there aren't any algorithms on the fediverse (yet?), so a "like" can only be a gesture, and it's actually wonderful.
So I do the same here. If I really think something is problematic, I frown in concern with a downvote. Thinking of it as human gestures to actual people is actually a nice way to interact on social media IMO.
And while pandering will happen, I, as a lurker/reader don't always want to highest voted comment and often sort by new and old to see other comments. So it really can be about what habits and mentalities we bring to this ... a readjustment of which being something the fediverse has to offer.
Complete agreement, it feels like I'm awakening old voting habits from a nicer internet.
I agree that score is not indicative of the quality of posts. However, it’s useful to measure what people who read this post or comment think of it positively or negatively or neutral.
Sure, but if you can see the score ahead of time (and especially if comments in the UI are sorted by score), all it does it create an echo-chamber. It's self-reinforcing. If the post's score only showed after you up/down-voted and then you couldn't change your vote, that'd be entirely different (not perfect either).
I also don't care if other people found a post "positive" or "negative" or "neutral" in general. Truthful, well thought-out comments get downvoted into oblivion despite being true, simply because they aren't mainstream views. Likewise, mainstream views with no basis in reality get upvoted incessantly, probably because humans psychologically like believing that their beliefs are true and seeing "confirmation" of their beliefs is seen as a good thing. This is what is meant by self-reinforcing echo-chamber: fringe or dissenting opinions get hidden, and "more of the same"/"towing the line" conformity get promoted.
all it does it create an echo-chamber. It’s self-reinforcing.
Totally agree. Also, I'm taking into an account that this is a view of people who have internet -> browse lemmy -> browse or subbed to the community (interested in) -> saw the post -> read comments -> default sort (i believe lemmy's default is hot which is new?) so definitely biased
I also don’t care if other people found a post “positive” or “negative” or “neutral” in general. Truthful, well thought-out comments get downvoted into oblivion despite being true, simply because they aren’t mainstream views. Likewise, mainstream views with no basis in reality get upvoted incessantly, probably because humans psychologically like believing that their beliefs are true and seeing “confirmation” of their beliefs is seen as a good thing. This is what is meant by self-reinforcing echo-chamber: fringe or dissenting opinions get hidden, and “more of the same”/“towing the line” conformity get promoted.
I stated that it's good to know "what people who read this post or comment think of it" regardless of post/comment truthfulness. It's useful (for me) to assess whether many people agree with, against, or it's controversial.
PS: This information wouldn't change my opinion about a post/comment.
I see what you're saying, but I don't understand why you find any value (or usefulness) in seeing what people think of it. What do you learn if a lot of people have agreed with it, disagreed with it, or if the opinion is split?
Well, different post categories indicate different meanings (usefulness).
For example, in political communities, I can get a rough estimate of the majority of users' views/ideologies regarding a specific topic.