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Once this administration defies the courts democracy will be over in the US.
It won't be a one off either, he will then begin doing whatever he wants. Congress will not stop him.
They already have multiple times now, no?
They have, already defied multiple rulings and continue to defy more. It’s crazy to me how few people seem to realize this. Even in this thread.
One example: https://www.npr.org/2025/02/12/nx-s1-5293132/trump-vance-constitutional-crisis-court-rulings
Edit: The fact that major outlets keep phrasing it as a hypothetical isn’t helping.
They've broken the law blatantly and have not reversed some things that they should have, but typically they have stopped doing the action when the courts have ordered it.
So they have sorta, but not outright
They were literally told to hold on deporting these people, and then said nope we got them in the air already, in under 24 hours. If that's not outright defying the court, I don't know what else we're waiting for.
It isn't the first time they've rushed deportations to stay ahead of court orders. All you have to do is skip that pesky woke "due process" nonsense. Thats the new SOP.
If they arrest more people after the court order. That will tell us for sure.
I'm not saying things are good right now, they're pretty bleak
President Donald Trump's administration made a calculated decision to ignore a judge's directive to turn around two flights containing hundreds of alleged Venezuelan gang members, sources familiar with the matter told ABC News.
At least they're still working under pretense and condition. They "can't" turn them around because they're already in route.
It's not good, but they are using a contrived reason. I'm afraid for the day they stop trying to justify it and keep doing it.
Things are getting to that point rapidly
You realize they will always have some sort of “justification”. Heck, saying “ I felt like it” would be a justification.
You’re waiting for a line to be crossed that has already been crossed.
Edit: For your specific cope here: under no legal basis would already having that plane in the air change the legality of the situation. If it was in the air they could’ve and should’ve turned it around.
Like a bank robber holding a sign that says “This is not a robbery. And even if it is, it is permitted under Article II”.
Saying I felt like it is not a justification. Wouldn't call this a cope either. I know things are bad, but there's still room for them to get much much worse. I think they will reach that point. It's just watching the milestones pass now.
A justification is any reason given to justify an action. Fascist will always have a justification for their actions. You said you’re waiting for them to stop trying to justify it, but that’s never going to happen. There will always always be bullshit justification.
Just because things could get worse, doesn’t mean that they aren’t an absolute catastrophe already and it is a cope to sit there and Keep telling yourself” well at least it’s not worse than it is now.”
Sure we can spend all day defining words, but that's obtuse. You very well know what I meant. Not turning an active flight around is magnitudes different than continuing arrests and deportation after a court order.
A justification requires at least some pretense of a reason. Just because you want to is a statement.
Once again, it's not a cope to acknowledge that things are bad now and they can get worse. I'm going to protests, I've stopped all discretionary spending, and I tell my story to anyone that will listen (my work has been directly impacted). Hell I haven't spoken to my Trump voting father in months. Short of taking arms against the government there's not much left to do, and frankly to get to that level the milestones on the way to the bottom do matter a lot.
Bro, you’re the one here trying to nitpick definitions. You just said justification requires A pretense of reason. That reason could very well be” because you wanted to”. There’s no limit to what that reason given could be.
To save us from the democrats
To protect this country
Because I wanted to because only I know what’s best.
To get back at all those evil doing minorities
Those are literally all reasons and could be used as justification for actions
And as we all know, planes can't turn around. Too bad those Wright brothers couldn't figure that little maneuver out. And it's made air combat in wars very complicated and pointless since planes can't just turn around and get back to where they took off from.
/s
I believe most of those were based on intentionally misreading of the orders from my understanding. The recent one with sending people to El Salvador was more much blatant. Especially as people within the whitehouse are blatantly poking at the judge. For instance, yhey are retweeting the el salvador president "joking" and saying "Oppsie, too late" (they were ordered to turn the planes around before they got there)
It's going to matter what the courts do from here out. They have the power to sanctuation. If Marshalls don't enforce said sanctions, they have the power to deputize others to enforce for them if the courts are willing to do so
if the courts are willing to do so
That's a big "if."
Isn't this an example of that, right here, right now?
There are words and there are actions, but we're not far off
When the option with the most 'votes' was to abstain from voting, is it still a democracy?