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Are we winning yet?

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It will have to get a lot worse domestically before this happens
- Revolutions don't happen because there's too much suffering. Revolutions happen when people think there's no other way to force change, and when they think they can win.
  
  It will get worse domestically. But this will not contribute to any uprising. In fact, it very likely will make it harder.
  
  If you look at the French revolution, sure, there was suffering.
  
  But look at who took over when the revolution had taken the heads of the monarchy. Was it the peasants who had waved pitchforks? Was it bollocks. It was a bunch of nobles who were sick of their lot under the old regime.
  
  Revolutions happen when wannabe new leaders instigate them. Hordes of angry people are a force to be reckoned with, but without leaders they ain't organising shit. They're a tool for takeovers.
  
  The bourgeoisie, rather than nobility, and the peasants were largely reactionaries; it was the urban proletariat which provided the enthusiastic manpower of the Revolution.
  
  But yes, I agree. Organization and leaders make revolutions.
  
  Revolutions don’t happen because there’s too much suffering
  
  That's because the people in charge (historically speaking) have made sure that not enough universal suffering happens to create a revolution. This administration is a new kind of special, and I wouldn't count it out.
  
  That’s because the people in charge (historically speaking) have made sure that not enough universal suffering happens to create a revolution.
  
  Bruh, I can point you to some very universally-suffering societies, both modern and historical, which did not provoke revolutions; and every revolution I can think of was very far from universally suffering, compared to prior or later conditions.
  
  Suffering is only marginally related to revolution, at best.
  
  both modern and historical, which did not provoke revolutions; and every revolution I can think of was very far from universally suffering, compared to prior or later conditions.
  
  Suffering is only marginally related to revolution, at best.
  
  I'll make a note that you are an expert in revolutions and move on with my life.
  
  I’ll make a note that you are an expert in revolutions and move on with my life.
  
  There are quite a number of revolutions in history, which is my field, yes.
- May I ask,what would be that thing? Because its seems like your all well over due for a bit of a revolution
  
  People are seemingly waiting for "the thing" not realizing that there’s never "the thing" in a successive authoritarian takeover.
  
  I think most people thought that "the" line was crossed at some point several lines ago, but when there wasn't an obvious consensus that "the" line had been crossed at that particular time, people kept looking around and waiting for others to say that "the" line had been crossed. That's how we've all allowed it to get to such an insane point. We're all waiting for a revolutionary instead of being the leader we need. I don't think any of us feels qualified and capable.
  
  Well that's extremely sad
  
  The thing is probably a leader for the opposition in this case.
  
  The people who don’t care/understand politics will have to get hungry.
  
  You know what they say, a society is one 4 meals aways from complete chaos
  
  Thats the string holding it all together imo. The majority of people still feel secure enough in their next week of meals, let alone next four. Yeah they cost more, yeah food pantries usage are trending up so much that it threatens their stocks of food, but the foods still there and obtainable for most. Many of us who see the writing on the wall are ready for whatever but we can't simply start shooting and hope things get better.
  
  Well sure for now,but your seen the price of eggs,Healthcare, transportation, education, Internet and about dozen other things,prices for food is already going up,how long will take? By the way,I don't think revolution is the answer,j think politicians need to grow some back bones. Give aoc or burnie a chance.
  
  1929 crisis lasted more or less 10 years and nothing happened
  
  In New York City neighborhoods, organized bands of Jewish housewives fiercely resisted eviction, arguing that they were merely doing their jobs by defending their homes and those of their neighbors. Barricading themselves in apartments, they made speeches from tenement windows, wielded kettles of boiling water, and threatened to scald anyone who attempted to move furniture out on to the street. Black mothers in Cleveland, unable to convince a local power company to delay shutting off electricity in the homes of families who had not paid their bills, won restoration of power after they hung wet laundry over every utility line in the neighborhood. They also left crying babies on the desks of caseworkers at the Cleveland Emergency Relief Association, refusing to retrieve them until free milk had been provided for each child. These actions reflected a sense of humor but sometimes housewife rage exploded. In Chicago, angry Polish housewives doused thousands of pounds of meat with kerosene and set it on fire at the warehouses of the Armour Company to dramatize their belief that high prices were not the result of shortages.
  
  over due for a bit of a revolution
  
  Ohh indeed.
  
  Here's the playfield:
  
  We have cities full of poorly armed people who are on the edge of readiness. Then, we have thousands of miles of rural country with a sparse number of well-armed people who are quite happy with the turn of events.
  
  Nearly all news coverage is now directly/indirectly state-controlled. Nearly all social media coverage is directly/indirectly state-controlled.
  
  We're seeing protests come up around government buildings, but it's barely a pittance.
  
  The people who would need to start the coup are poorly armed and largely reluctant to be violent; they're also not ready to give their lives for the cause. The people who are against any form of coup are well-armed and would LOVE to go in guns blazing.
  
  The inklings of resistance are present. They'd need someone to organize and lead them,
  
  Another concern I have is, historically, you have a coup, the military is called in to take it out, they refuse, and a new government is installed with their blessing. What happens when, instead of the military getting called in and refusing, the old government hires private industry to put guns on drones and starts murderbotting protestors? Tech isn't like it used to be. They don't need to get their hands directly dirty anymore or risk any of their own lives.
  
  I'm not certain you could have a revolution against well funded oligarchs dug into a country.

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