"Gatekeeping" is when you don't think "Dragonfucker" is a gender
"Gatekeeping" is when you don't think "Dragonfucker" is a gender
And apparently, also when you think that 'They' is a perfectly serviceable gender-neutral singular pronoun, but are willing to use other pronouns if asked to.
EDIT: Other removable offenses on Blahaj now include questioning mod/admin decisions and quoting the modlog as a reason why you're leaving.
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You have fun with your tribalist games in which reality is secondary to whatever weird persecution narrative you want to peddle.
And try to fix up your reading comprehension.
I specifically mentioned in that very point that you cut off, in case you forgot how to read, that Ada was not in that conversation or thread, nor did I expect her to be.
Unless by 'telling a trans woman how to run her space' you actually meant 'not telling a trans woman anything at all, nor saying anything even around said trans woman, nor talking about how to run the space, but expressing an intention to leave the instance in another community entirely', in which case you need to fix your basic sentence construction instead.
I specifically mentioned in that very point that you cut off, in case you forgot how to read, that Ada was not in that conversation or thread, nor did I expect her to be.
Aw, bestie! That’s not how the Lemmy works. You made people uncomfortable, and they reported you for your content, either for what it invited or for what it was on its face. That’s how this works! You do what someone sees as damage to the community, you get reported, Ada sees your comment. If you were truly minsundatood that badly, maybe work on using nicer words. :)
persecution narrative
Oh wow. Okay, back up, this makes me think you misunderstand the situation entirely. Did you read the post? Genuinely think this summary might help:
- Ada: “Okay y’all we’re gonna do an innocent until proven guilty thing here because of our demographic makeup and community goals. Report and block trolling behavior rather than resorting to misgendering and harassment, OK? We want to keep things comfortable for all trans people and for us that never starts with initating the same attacks most of our community faces every day. If you can’t find it in you to engage with users without misgendering and abuse, we’d just prefer you report the user rather than engage. If you do do harrassment, even against a real troll, you will face mod action, mkay?”
- most of blahaj: “Makes sense, that lines up with a good portion of our user base’s preference too. We’d rather see trolls getting ignored, downvoted, and banned than for harrassment to be normalized here.”
- Me: “That totally makes sense here too.”
- You: “Wow fuck yall what a persecution narrative this is literally reason for me to leave.”
Aw, bestie! That’s not how the Lemmy works. You made people uncomfortable, and they reported you for your content, either for what it invited or for what it was on its face. That’s how this works! You do what someone sees as damage to the community, you get reported, Ada sees your comment. If you were truly minsundatood that badly, maybe work on using nicer words. :)
So now it's not "I told Ada how to run her instance", it's "My comment was reported", glad to see we're moving goalposts at lightning speed. Jesus H. Christ. Are you going to actually present any argument you're willing to stand by, or just jump from point to unrelated point in the hopes of making yourself feel like you defended the tribe sufficiently?
If you were truly minsundatood that badly, maybe work on using nicer words. :)
Did you not fucking read the OP? Holy fucking shit. I didn't realize saying "I guess Blahaj is now added to the list of instances I avoid when possible. Unfortunate." was such an aggressive crime in your eyes.
Oh, wait, of course I did, anything that's not total agreement and bootlicking of your online community of choice is an attack against the basic dignity of everyone therein. I forgot I was back on Tumblr.
You: “Wow fuck yall what a persecution narrative this is literally reason for me to leave.”
Again, demonstrating a below average reading comprehension.
Continuing from your summary:
Spujb: “That totally makes sense here too.”
Me, on a different comm, nowhere near Ada: “Okay, I get it, but this place isn't for me anymore, I'm going to leave."
Ada: [removes comments for 'gatekeeping' as noted in the OP]
Me: "Well, I'm leaving, but this removal is kind of dogshit, I'm going to bitch about it on a comm for bitching about moderator actions." [as it appears in the OP]
Numerous Blahaj Defenders: "You're transphobic if you question whether dragonfucker is a gender."
Me: "Wow, now I feel glad that I left Blahaj instead of sad."
Spujb: "You shouldn't feel entitled to tell Ada what to do!"
Me: "Where did you get the idea I told Ada what to do, I literally didn't and I can outline all of my relevant actions; none of them come close and you know damn well you can't cite any that involve me telling Ada what to do, even in a vague way, because I never did anything fucking close to that."
Spujb: "You feel entitled to tell Ada what to do!"
Me: "What the fuck is this, some kind of persecution complex?"
This is not complex. I should not have had to repeat that fucking conversation to anyone over the age of eight, yet here we fucking are.
At no point have you engaged with reality here. You just have some sort of desired narrative that you want to cling to, and so you cling to it in the face of all evidence to the contrary. Hell, in the very post I just responded to you accused my posts of being removed for not being worded 'nice enough', which doesn't even vaguely fit the removals cited in the literal OP. I'm not sure if you can't read it, didn't read it, or are just too attached to your narrative to read it, but in any case, it's really rather pathetic, and quite in-line with what I've come to expect of you. Well-intentioned (in the sense of 'desiring a gentle resolution'), but with very little understanding or capability of parsing arguments that don't fit your axioms. The axiom you're using here being, of course, "The community I like is always right and I will always defend them regardless of the facts 😊"
In the course of this argument, you have ignored evidence provided entirely, deliberately cut off already very-short statements in order to provide an interpretation literally and directly contrary to its explicitly stated details, ignored contradictions when pointed out, and moved goalposts, and yet at no point do you appear to have anything even vaguely resembling self-awareness on any of it. This is either incredibly bad faith on your part, or an incredibly low level of competence, and in either case, you've done nothing but waste time with your disingenuous arguments and outright falsehoods.
Oh, and no, doing so with a 'nice tone' does not change any of that.
Did you not fucking read the OP? Holy fucking shit. I didn’t realize saying “I guess Blahaj is now added to the list of instances I avoid when possible. Unfortunate.” was such an aggressive crime in your eyes.
You created a space primed for harrassment, dude. Intentionally or not. You’ve seen the descent into bigotry comments sections like those go to? You made a live drama trap for more of the exact behavior admins have the unique goal of fighting to combat. You might as well have titled your sadpost “Hey guys, here’s a space to do the harrassment this entire community is designed around avoiding also I’m leaving.”
The mods aren’t obligated to host open honeypots like that, especially not from users self-admittedly on the way out. If it wasn’t intentional, I hope this helps clears things up! Cuz wow.
You created a space primed for harrassment, dude. Intentionally or not. You’ve seen the descent into bigotry comments sections like those go to? You made a live drama trap for more of the exact behavior admins have the unique goal of fighting to combat.
The fucking post wasn't removed. The actual post was never fucking removed. Holy shit. Only a few of my comments were removed, for spurious reasons. Quite clearly it's not "The comment section was going to get bad!", it was "Admin's feelings were hurt by critical comments that did not harass anyone, whereas the supposedly harassment-inviting post was left up".
You might as well have titled your sadpost “Hey guys, here’s a space to do the harrassment this entire community is designed around avoiding also I’m leaving.”
Oh, is that what "I don't agree with this mod decision so I'm leaving" translates to to you?
What a bootlicking attitude.
The mods aren’t obligated to host open honeypots like that, especially not from users self-admittedly on the way out. If it wasn’t intentional, I hope this helps clears things up! Cuz wow.
Again, what you claim is the motivation flies directly in the face of the actual facts of the situation; namely, that the post itself wasn't removed. Individual comments of mine were removed for spurious reasons. The post itself, the thing you claim is the motivation, the 'honeypot' that you think will in some way create harassment and the admins had to react to, was left up, and IS STILL UP, FOR FUCK'S SAKE.
Given that, it is quite clearly isn't the reason, but it's equally clear that you have no actual interest in what's happening. I'm sure you'll move the goalposts, ignore this point entirely, or just outright make shit up, just like you have at every other step in this argument.
comments can be honeypots too.. i never said it was the post itself. you kind of moved the posts on me for that one.
i never said it was the post itself.
This you?
You might as well have titled your sadpost
God, I hate it when I'm fucking right.
I’m sure you’ll move the goalposts, ignore this point entirely, or just outright make shit up, just like you have at every other step in this argument.
ah, i apologize. i do admit that i used language there that slightly misrepresented my meaning, and i see your confusion. this inclarity is my fault.
i was using the term “sadpost” in reference to whatever content that was removed, whether comments or posts. i see that you interpreted the “post” in sadpost to mean reddit-style top-level posts only, where my tendency is to interpret the “post” to mean any content, i.e. the act of hitting “post.”
nevertheless my point stands. you created a space which attracts the very drama blahaj is founded around avoiding.
it’s like you went into r/GirlsWithHugePussies (SFW 😄 and very cute, it’s clothed women holding big pet cats) and posted comments saying, “sorry y’all i have to leave because of the rule that you can’t comment about the women’s bodies.”
i was using the term “sadpost” in reference to whatever content that was removed, whether comments or posts. i see that you interpreted the “post” in sadpost to mean reddit-style top-level posts only, where my tendency is to interpret the “post” to mean any content, i.e. the act of hitting “post.”
So, let's go over this
You created a space primed for harrassment, dude. Intentionally or not. You’ve seen the descent into bigotry comments sections like those go to? You made a live drama trap for more of the exact behavior admins have the unique goal of fighting to combat. You might as well have titled your sadpost “Hey guys, here’s a space to do the harrassment this entire community is designed around avoiding also I’m leaving.”
The mods aren’t obligated to host open honeypots like that, especially not from users self-admittedly on the way out. If it wasn’t intentional, I hope this helps clears things up! Cuz wow.
So I 'created space', something not generally associated with comments, implicitly enabling 'comments sections' in the 'sadpost' which might as well have had a 'title' of (insert the title you made here) despite the fact that comments don't have titles.
So you managed to use a whole hell of a lot of language implying that you meant a top-level post, and an argument centered around the space provided by a top-level post, but really what you meant were the comments. Wow! It's amazing that you managed to accidentally use all that language in such a specific and logical way that fits with your previous arguments made, but suddenly you clarified that DEFINITELY wasn't what you meant when it was called out that it makes no factual goddamn sense.
nevertheless my point stands. you created a space which attracts the very drama blahaj is founded around avoiding.
There are two places where my comments were. One, in the announcement by one of the mods of 196 bringing attention to the rule clarification. The rest, in a post citing the modlog that itself, was not removed.
In what possible fucking way were either of those 'creating space' for harassment? In the former, space is already created without the comment; in the latter, space is already created without the comment. If it was about creating the space for harassment to potentially occur, even assuming you were talking about my comments previously, how would that in any conceivable way reconcile with the fact that the post, a much bigger space for 'harassment', was left up?
Your latest argument makes zero goddamn sense in light of the evidence, just like the rest.
it’s like you went into r/GirlsWithHugePussies (SFW 😄 and very cute, it’s clothed women holding big pet cats) and posted comments saying, “sorry y’all i have to leave because of the rule that you can’t comment about the women’s bodies.”
Or if it's like I was posting to GirlsWithHugePussies for over a year with no problem, and then the INSTANCE of GirlsWithHugePussies clarifies that "Dogs are pussies too". The comm of GirlsWithHugePussies mentions this, and when I comment to GirlsWithHugePussies "That's unfortunate, I don't have any desire to stick around guys/gals, sorry", it's removed for 'gatekeeping pussies'.
And rather than dispute it, because ultimately I have neither power nor desire to influence the instance's admins, I simply leave and bitch about my comments being removed for 'gatekeeping' on a comm about bitching about moderator/admin actions.
Then a whole bunch of defenders of the instance come in and say, in this bitching thread on a bitching comm on and instance entirely separate from GirlsWithHugePussies' instance, that I'm felinephobic for not acknowledging dogs as pussies, and one commenter in particular claims that I was acting 'entitled' for daring to mention leaving in the process of leaving, claiming that my anodynely worded original comments were actually 'not nice' enough, and that if I wanted to avoid a removal, I should've just worded them nicer, and that, furthermore, I was 'creating space' for harassment by saying farewell to a comm I'd been posting on for a long time whilst having any reaction to the rule clarification other than utter bootlicking sycophancy, since "It's not for me, I understand, but I'm leaving" was apparently too hostile.
That put it into perspective?
Doubtful, considering what lengths you've went through to avoid any troubling thoughts in your head in the course of this conversation.
So you acknowledge that you left the community simply because the Admin said to
report and blockdisengage suspected trolling rather than engaging in harrassment? That’s so sad :(So you acknowledge that you left the community simply because the Admin said to report and block suspected trolling rather than engaging in harrassment? That’s so sad :(
No, not even close to what was said, and that's very much the response I expected after seeing your behavior in this argument. There's nothing even vaguely resembling that in the comment you're supposedly responding to. As usual, you ignore the evidence and arguments presented and make shit up.
Although I suppose I should thank you, since this reply clarifies that it's not incompetence, but explicitly bad faith you're arguing in.