Ye Power Trippin' Bastards @lemmy.dbzer0.com PugJesus @lemmy.world 6d ago

"Gatekeeping" is when you don't think "Dragonfucker" is a gender

And apparently, also when you think that 'They' is a perfectly serviceable gender-neutral singular pronoun, but are willing to use other pronouns if asked to.

EDIT: Other removable offenses on Blahaj now include questioning mod/admin decisions and quoting the modlog as a reason why you're leaving.

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Dragon is a purity test troll:

By using absurd conversational standards backed by the reasoning of "nontraditional identification / self", they troll both you, and mods into playing the purity "jump how high" game. If the mods flinch, and tell them to tone it down, the community will eat them alive. If they call you out, the mod has to pull the trigger.

I'm not saying the mods are free from blame, but they are so high on their own supply that banning you is the only option.

Non binary folks deserve respect. Non traditional pronouns are worth respect. The way dragon uses them is a problem because they are inconsistent with any logic... They use them semantically wrong
- semantically wrong
  
  This, TBH. It's just speaking in third person. You'd think if it's not trolling, at least you'd know what a pronoun is, from a grammatical standpoint.
- I don't think "nontraditional" quite covers it. He, she, they is enough to cover the whole spectrum and anything beyond that is a blatant call for attention that should be discouraged at this point.
  
  There is room to call for more pronouns, but individual and unique monikers are not that. Japan has a range of pronouns that are more useful (or at least more interesting) than what English has, and some languages lack even English's anemic selection (like, French doesn't have an official neutral pronoun apparently).
  
  There's a comment that I read recently that points out how "Anon" (among other words) is technically a pronoun.
  
  I think it's interesting that 4chan has invented "anon" as, functionally, a naturally occurring genderless neopronoun. I would argue even more genderless than xe/xim because while xe/xim was created in relation to gender, anon was created with no connection to gender at all. Xe/xim is "not he or she" whereas anon is he, she, they, xe, or anything else. There's other words as well (homie, oomfie, bestie) that are functionally genderless neopronouns although these (and anon) are commonly used alongside gendered pronouns eg: anon posted his greentext on 4chan, I visited bestie and her dog. Now I'm not recommending that anybody starts using anon/bestie pronouns or anything, cause if bestie wants to do that then bestie will have to deal with how awkward it sounds. But, I'm generally more partial towards these absolutely genderless naturally-occurring neopronouns over the relatively genderless constructed xe/xim. And I'm curious if anybody else has thoughts about these.
  
  I find it interesting, and I thought you might as well.
  
  It's an interesting point, but in my view, Anon is a pseudonym rather than a pronoun, as it's used in place of their actual name.
  
  I'd argue that a bespoke pronoun (one that a specific person came up with specifically so they can be referred to by it) is less of a pronoun than "Anon" is, which can apply to anyone.
  
  In fact, I struggle to think of definitions for "pronoun" and "pseudonym" such that "Anon" is a proper pseudonym and a bespoke pronoun is a pronoun.
  
  Edit: I have this person tagged as
  
  Labeled me as "tells people what they've labeled people"
  
  People who want to have a discussion about neopronouns are absolutely welcome to, and while I find them aesthetically displeasing and unneeded, it's no more inherently invalid than any other development of language.
- I couldn't have worded this any better

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